[Marsh.]

Which schools are these that are apparently teaching children to believe in God?

I went to a Catholic school and even they did nothing of the sort.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dollface

But religion is on-going
And how could he say no when there is no proof? He would simply have to say "It's up to you if God is real or not" because it is up to the individual and what they believe

There is no burden of proof on not believing so you dont have to.


Otherwise we go back to betty the goat god of venus (who is every bit as valid as Allah)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which schools are these that are apparently teaching children to believe in God?

I went to a Catholic school and even they did nothing of the sort.

My friend stephen went to a catholic school and they taught him that every time he "sinned" a black mark was put on his heart, too many and he would die and only by confessing his sins would "god" remove them

he was also abused by priests


way to go religious school

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Like all fables it should be taught as such. Do gods exist? - no they do not. Are faeries real? No. Do mediums speak to the dead? No. What happens when we die? We rot away. Is there life after death? No. Astrology? Bollocks. Ghosts? Bollocks. Is Kirk too fond of betting? Yes.

Depends how you look at it. The process of decomposition and all the components that made us are recycled to become something new, so there is a continuation of sorts.

I was brought up as a Catholic in France and had the fear of God put in me as a child. I really feared death because I believed I was a sinner. I'm much happier away from that or any faith now and am more than happy to know I may one day come back as a doorknob. Death is a bit of a pandoras box really and I no longer fear it.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is no burden of proof on not believing so you dont have to.


Otherwise we go back to betty the goat god of venus (who is every bit as valid as Allah)

I wish there were classes for learning about ghosts, faeries (and yes betty the goat god of venus ) etc. because those things are real to me would much prefer an hour of supernatural talk than an hour of science crap

Going off topic now, i tend to do this

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by MTVN

If all mention of religion in schools was abolished then kids are going to grow up with massive gaps in their knowledge when it comes to history, society, current affairs etc. I don't think it's something you can completely separate from education

On topic I have no issue with the current relationship between Church and state

this tbh

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

My friend stephen went to a catholic school and they taught him that every time he "sinned" a black mark was put on his heart, too many and he would die and only by confessing his sins would "god" remove them

he was also abused by priests


way to go religious school

His experience was probably in the minority..

I went to a Christian school and like Marsh, they never tried to teach to believe in God. There was 1 girl who wouldn't come to church with us and the school was completely accepting of that.

[Kizzy]

All hail betty!!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Depends how you look at it. The process of decomposition and all the components that made us are recycled to become something new, so there is a continuation of sorts.

I was brought up as a Catholic in France and had the fear of God put in me as a child. I really feared death because I believed I was a sinner. I'm much happier away from that or any faith now and am more than happy to know I may one day come back as a doorknob. Death is a bit of a pandoras box really and I no longer fear it.

well yes we continue for a long time after death (if not cremated) decomposing and being eaten by various bacteria and indeed our atoms then become bacteria atoms and so forth

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

All hail betty!!

she, who shall not be named

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dollface

His experience was probably in the minority..

I went to a Christian school and like Marsh, they never tried to teach to believe in God. There was 1 girl who wouldn't come to church with us and the school was completely accepting of that.

what do you think the raison d'etre of faith schools is ?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

My friend stephen went to a catholic school and they taught him that every time he "sinned" a black mark was put on his heart, too many and he would die and only by confessing his sins would "god" remove them

he was also abused by priests


way to go religious school

When was this? Sounds like a very extreme situation and not one representative of everything.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what do you think the raison d'etre of faith schools is ?

the what of the what?

ohhh --googled

& to be honest, i don't know

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dollface

the what of the what?

what is the point of a faith school?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Aren't you a Christian, Kirk? Or are you alluding to the fact that Jesus said he supports the laws of Moses?

I have already told everyone on here Liv, that I would be a 'Jew for Jesus' if I was Jewish. I am a very unorthodox Christian who believes in both books of the bible, in YAHWEH as the one true God, and in Jesus as The Christ.

In fact I really believe that it is only on whether Jesus was the Messiah, where I really differ in my beliefs (not my practices) from Jews.

People forget that there was no such thing as a 'Christian' in Christ's time. Jesus and his parent's were Jews, as were all his disciples, and they all believed in the laws of Moses and Old Testament scripture.

I have a huge affinity with Jews and Judaism - in fact, more than I have for some followers of certain branches of Christianity.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well yes we continue for a long time after death (if not cremated) decomposing and being eaten by various bacteria and indeed our atoms then become bacteria atoms and so forth

Even if we are cremated we become carbon (1 neutron 1 electron). Carbon is energy which goes on to become something else, which in turn goes on to fuel the creation of something else. Its a constant cycle of recycling because energy never dies.

Sorry, just being pedantic here

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

When was this? Sounds like a very extreme situation and not one representative of everything.

Only an individual teacher who was doo-lally

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Even if we are cremated we become carbon (1 neutron 1 electron). Carbon is energy which goes on to become something else, which in turn goes on to fuel the creation of something else. Its a constant cycle of recycling because energy never dies.

Sorry, just being pedantic here

yes we are all stardust

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

If all mention of religion in schools was abolished then kids are going to grow up with massive gaps in their knowledge when it comes to history, society, current affairs etc. I don't think it's something you can completely separate from education

On topic I have no issue with the current relationship between Church and state

Brilliant post MT.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Brilliant post MT.

why

when has not knowing about religion ever caused anyone an issue?

"you mean you dont know about Ganesh the Elephant headed Hindu god, well you cannot work at Starbucks"

"what, you have never heard of allah the prophet, well i am sorry a career in horticulture is not for you"

"do you mean to say that Jesus being magic and walking on water has escaped you, in tat case i am revoking your brain surgeon license"



give me a break

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why

when has not knowing about religion ever caused anyone an issue?

"you mean you dont know about Ganesh the Elephant headed Hindu god, well you cannot work at Starbucks"

"what, you have never heard of allah the prophet, well i am sorry a career in horticulture is not for you"

"do you mean to say that Jesus being magic and walking on water has escaped you, in tat case i am revoking your brain surgeon license"



give me a break

If those little snippets are all you think religious education amounts to then there are some huge gaps in your own education.

[Ramsay]

Yes, kill it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Yes, kill it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If those little snippets are all you think religious education amounts to then there are some huge gaps in your own education.

let me sum it up for you morsh

"be nice to people"


there endeth the fecking lesson




(and if you are not then we kill you)

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Like all fables it should be taught as such. Do gods exist? - no they do not. Are faeries real? No. Do mediums speak to the dead? No. What happens when we die? We rot away. Is there life after death? No. Astrology? Bollocks. Ghosts? Bollocks. Is Kirk too fond of betting? Yes.

How can you be sure. Take the life after death issue. You can't say a definate no unless youv'e been there etc., Best surely to say you don't know or don't believe so.