[Livia]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I've caught a cold already. LOL

Surely it cant be too hard for Ukip to find suitable candidates before they tarnish their reputation all by them selves. The quality of their candidates is seriously undermining this campaign and will possibly affect future campaigns. .

It's hard to tell at selection interviews. It's just like job interviews... you get people who promise everything and deliver nothing, you get people who are brilliant but don't handle interviews well... And of course, UKIP don't have an across the board appeal.

So... you went all the way to the Caribbean and all you brought back was a cold.

[GiRTh]

She said there was "absolutely no way I'm a racist" but added: "Th e only people I do have problems with are negroes. And I don't know why.

"I don't know whether there is something in my psyche or whether it's karma from a previous life or whether something happened to me as a very, very young person and I've drawn a veil over it - because that sometimes happens, doesn't it?

"But I really do have a problem with people with negroid features."

She added: "I used to say to my daughter, by way of some sort of justification, you need to remember that I was born in the late 40s, early 50s when, especially down in Thanet, there weren't any and I wasn't brought up with them. Now that's no justification at all, it doesn't answer the question 'why is she like that with them and not anybody else'."

I''ve only just read the article. wow. This person is in no way fit for public office and if its all Ukip can attract then lets dismiss them as the joke they really are.

Is it me or is she just about admitting she is racist. No excuses the party needs to look at its image if this is the best they can do.

[Livia]

The whole system needs shaking up. Some of the councillors I've worked with in the past have been a bloody liability... Insulated and totally out of touch - and that's just their good points.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's hard to tell at selection interviews. It's just like job interviews... you get people who promise everything and deliver nothing, you get people who are brilliant but don't handle interviews well... And of course, UKIP don't have an across the board appeal.

So... you went all the way to the Caribbean and all you brought back was a cold.

The trip was great even if all I've got to show for it is this cold. LOL

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, I can only speak from my own experience, I've never worked for UKIP... but the selection process for councillors, MEPs and MPs is the same as a job interview. You have to choose the best, most qualified candidate from a set of applicants. Sadly, fewer and fewer people are opting to stand and so the pool they're fishing from has got smaller and smaller. It gets to the point where you have to take anyone willing to stand in that area. UKIP being a small and virtually untested party suffer more than most when it comes to attracting suitable candidates.

Nice to see you back...I expect it feels positively arctic in comparison.

That's my thoughts exactly. It's a classic 'Catch 22'; a lot of people dare not approach to stand as a candidate for UKIP because of it's perceived 'racist' reputation - hell most people who do truly agree with most of UKIP's policies daren't even say so out loud for the same reason - so, as you rightly say, low quantity to select from, invariably means low quality of candidate selected.

People may not dare voice their agreement with UKIP, but if they speak instead with their vote in secret, and if Farage does establish his party as a creditable party with time and the racist 'bogeyman' is exorcised, then who can say whether UKIP becomes the number 1. party in UK politics or not?

Only time will tell.

I don't really subscribe to 'Better The Devil You Know' - not when each successive head Devils keeps promising to morph into Saints 'This Time', only to still boast horns, tails, and trident.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I love the way some people on this Forum revel in bashing UKIP. They are not alone though as the Political establishment are in the middle of a major campaign to discredit UKIP using any and all means at their disposal.

From outright condemnation of the party saying they are the modern day equivalent of the NF, that they are right wing and fascist. to ridiculing them through satire or poking fun at their members. the plan, however it is achieved it is to try and change public opinion and make people fearful from voting for UKIP or being associated with it in any way.

People on this Forum also buy into this mood and believe the nonsense spouted and post humerous or scathing posts about how UKIP are so right wing so hateful of foreigners so fascist....

But the election is fast approaching and the establishment is worried..... very worried as their cosy little plan to sell this Country down the river has been called out for everyone to see and folks people are watching and thinking and no amount of this smear campaign bull**** will make me or millions (hopefully) of people change their view of UKIP and that change is desparately needed and UKIP offer a way to start that change.

Just a small voice of protest , a line in sand where ALL peoples that currently live here in the UK are saying no to uncontrolled immigration, No to Europe and yes to real political representation by our elected leaders to do our bidding not just follow their own agenda or the agenda of big business and other vested interests.

So yes, carry on with all the ridiculous smearing, stupid TV programmes, personal attacks on it's members, it matters not because on election day I together with vast numbers of traditional Lab/Con/Lib voters will say..... enough of the failed status quo and register one of the biggest slaps in the face to the Political gentry of this Country in generations.

And not before time.

A good post Nedusa, and I agree with it.

[smudgie]

The woman is a bloody moron.

[DemolitionRed]

Of course the Conservatives are worried about votes going to UKIP because if you vote UKIP the chances of Ed Miliband getting in goes up tenfold.

UKIP is amateurish and unfinished. Every time I see Farage smirking at the camera with a big fat cigar in his gob and a pint in his hand he reminds me of that Tim...nice but dim bloke.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by smudgie

The woman is a bloody moron.

Totally agree Smudgie.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Of course the Conservatives are worried about votes going to UKIP because if you vote UKIP the chances of Ed Miliband getting in goes up tenfold.

UKIP is amateurish and unfinished. Every time I see Farage smirking at the camera with a big fat cigar in his gob and a pint in his hand he reminds me of that Tim...nice but dim bloke.

Fair comment, but I think the psychology behind the cigar and pint is that UKIP embraces both Tory and Labour traditional values and is the party to vote for if you're a voter who's disenchanted with either.

I don't think old Nigel is as thick as some people think.

[billy123]

This summed it up pretty well i thought.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I love the way some people on this Forum revel in bashing UKIP. They are not alone though as the Political establishment are in the middle of a major campaign to discredit UKIP using any and all means at their disposal.

From outright condemnation of the party saying they are the modern day equivalent of the NF, that they are right wing and fascist. to ridiculing them through satire or poking fun at their members. the plan, however it is achieved it is to try and change public opinion and make people fearful from voting for UKIP or being associated with it in any way.

People on this Forum also buy into this mood and believe the nonsense spouted and post humerous or scathing posts about how UKIP are so right wing so hateful of foreigners so fascist....

But the election is fast approaching and the establishment is worried..... very worried as their cosy little plan to sell this Country down the river has been called out for everyone to see and folks people are watching and thinking and no amount of this smear campaign bull**** will make me or millions (hopefully) of people change their view of UKIP and that change is desparately needed and UKIP offer a way to start that change.

Just a small voice of protest , a line in sand where ALL peoples that currently live here in the UK are saying no to uncontrolled immigration, No to Europe and yes to real political representation by our elected leaders to do our bidding not just follow their own agenda or the agenda of big business and other vested interests.

So yes, carry on with all the ridiculous smearing, stupid TV programmes, personal attacks on it's members, it matters not because on election day I together with vast numbers of traditional Lab/Con/Lib voters will say..... enough of the failed status quo and register one of the biggest slaps in the face to the Political gentry of this Country in generations.

And not before time.

At the rate they are going you may be voting by yourself. Can I ask why are you so desperate to administer this slap when this is the kind of person your party want to put in office? Do you think this person is fit for office and would you vote for them? If you think this person is fit for office then why do you think the country would be better with more people like this in office? I anticipate your reply.

The smearing is not ridiculous. It barely needed your party representatives are a joke.

[Vicky.]

She said there was "absolutely no way I'm a racist" but added: "Th e only people I do have problems with are negroes. And I don't know why.


lol...

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

She said there was "absolutely no way I'm a racist" but added: "Th e only people I do have problems with are negroes. And I don't know why.


lol...

ITs almost laughable isnt it? The way she expresses it would have probably have got a laugh out of me if she's said it within ear shot. How the hell does she get to represent this party and why do Ukip supporters seriously think this country would be better with people like this is power. She's either an out and out racist or seriously deluded and either is not good for her credentials to be in a position of power

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Fair comment, but I think the psychology behind the cigar and pint is that UKIP embraces both Tory and Labour traditional values and is the party to vote for if you're a voter who's disenchanted with either.

I don't think old Nigel is as thick as some people think.

He would like us all to believe he’s 'bon viveu' but I remain unconvinced. Don’t be fooled by his nature because he is not the man you think he is.

I lost all respect for Farage when when he happily jumped into the pockets of extreme far right parties in Poland and Brussels as well as chairing the xenophobic and right-wing Italian Northern League. The founder of this league is Umberto Bossi who once called for all illegal immigrants to be shot. He’s also firm friends with 'The True Finns' who got in trouble for suggesting all foreigners wear identity armbands. He’s not only mates with this lot, he’s been supported and funded by them.

The man has no more interest in the working class or aspiring middle classes than the conservatives but he does understand that by focusing his campaign on immigrant blame and exiting the EU instead of the Westminster elite and corporations that have got richer on tax payers money, he ensured himself plenty of votes, especially from the downtrodden north. It’s a left wing catch with a right wing hook.

Most of us know that the Conservatives are selling the NHS off. Farage stepped in and claimed he would ring fence the NHS from privatization, so why can I find document after document claiming Farage fully supports the selling off of the NHS to private corporate organizations? The TTIP are keen to sell us the American version of medicine and Farage, who once worked for these city firms is a keen supporter. Our NHS is not safe with the Conservatives and it certainly isn’t safe with UKIP.

Whilst I agree that Europe is run by big banks and bureaucrats; how will pulling out of the EU help maintain our peace and stability? With all this present unrest in the world, is now a good time to pull ourselves away from our 27 European neighbours? Can we really afford to become a remote vulnerable island?

The man is an elitist who desperately tries to play down his poshness. To me at least he appears ridiculous; its like watching a badly made pantomime.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He would like us all to believe he’s 'bon viveu' but I remain unconvinced. Don’t be fooled by his nature because he is not the man you think he is.

I lost all respect for Farage when when he happily jumped into the pockets of extreme far right parties in Poland and Brussels as well as chairing the xenophobic and right-wing Italian Northern League. The founder of this league is Umberto Bossi who once called for all illegal immigrants to be shot. He’s also firm friends with 'The True Finns' who got in trouble for suggesting all foreigners wear identity armbands. He’s not only mates with this lot, he’s been supported and funded by them.

The man has no more interest in the working class or aspiring middle classes than the conservatives but he does understand that by focusing his campaign on immigrant blame and exiting the EU instead of the Westminster elite and corporations that have got richer on tax payers money, he ensured himself plenty of votes, especially from the downtrodden north. It’s a left wing catch with a right wing hook.

Most of us know that the Conservatives are selling the NHS off. Farage stepped in and claimed he would ring fence the NHS from privatization, so why can I find document after document claiming Farage fully supports the selling off of the NHS to private corporate organizations? The TTIP are keen to sell us the American version of medicine and Farage, who once worked for these city firms is a keen supporter. Our NHS is not safe with the Conservatives and it certainly isn’t safe with UKIP.

Whilst I agree that Europe is run by big banks and bureaucrats; how will pulling out of the EU help maintain our peace and stability? With all this present unrest in the world, is now a good time to pull ourselves away from our 27 European neighbours? Can we really afford to become a remote vulnerable island?

The man is an elitist who desperately tries to play down his poshness. To me at least he appears ridiculous; its like watching a badly made pantomime.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yes, but isn't it weird how many racists UKIP are attracting? There's almost one removed every week - and nowhere near as many from the other parties (except maybe the BNP but they would never remove them so.. )

You always make good points JoshBB.
I actually don't think the basis of UKIP is racist,for me it is more a lack of tolerance for want of a better description.
This Councillor virtually echoed Nigel Farage when he said he was on the tube or a train and people were talking in a foreign language, which made him feel uncomfortable.

This woman said, she heard people calling to each other in the street in their own language and that made her feel uncomfortable.
More and more do seem to hold that view too as you point out.

It is that intolerance that in the end helps divide against and fuel anger against those not of British origin.
While not racist,I would say, it is a strong evidence of at the very least unacceptable intolerance, and that has to be wrong in British politics too.

I agree with you, it is seeming a good number are building up as to being dropped as candidates or being told to quiet down as to their comments and that is a worrying situation.

Even in this documentary, it was said by the UKIP agent and press officer that those in UKIP have to hold back on their comments and that nothing has to be filmed and made known until the message was more acceptable.
Well that means we are 'not' getting the real views of UKIP candidates in that case and it also means in effect they are not being upfront with the voters.

The press officer said this Councillor had been told before to keep quiet and hold her views to herself as to this.
In a party supposedly advocating free speech,that comes across as very odd indeed and to me as a voter, (although no way a UKIP one),that makes me feel very uncomfortable with them indeed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have a look at the Ukip manifesto when all are out, see if you can find racist policies

If you cant then i would hold my tongue

Yes every party has renegades

take a look at Sir Malcolm Rifkind and Jack Straw today

perhaps a bit worse than being mildly racist in todays eyes?

Its easy to say "oooh UKIP are racists", indeed highlighting problems is the pasttime of fools - providing solutions to problems wont get many posts

too hard

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Have a look at the Ukip manifesto when all are out, see if you can find racist policies

If you cant then i would hold my tongue

Yes every party has renegades

take a look at Sir Malcolm Rifkind and Jack Straw today

perhaps a bit worse than being mildly racist in todays eyes?

Its easy to say "oooh UKIP are racists", indeed highlighting problems is the pasttime of fools - providing solutions to problems wont get many posts

too hard

Hardly. Her comments are as close as I've seen for a while to true racist. Its s all there. She starts with a denial that she's racist but she just cant understand why she doesn't like black people. I find her comments truly abhorrent and not the misunderstood comments or old fashioned comments I've seen described as racist.

She admits she has a problem with black people and cannot point to one thing to justify it - if indeed it could ever be justified. How is that not racist or how is that only mild?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Hardly. Her comments are as close as I've seen for a while to true racist. Its s all there. She starts with a denial that she's racist but she just cant understand why she doesn't like black people. I find her comments truly abhorrent and not the misunderstood comments or old fashioned comments I've seen described as racist.

She admits she has a problem with black people and cannot point to one thing to justify it - if indeed it could ever be justified. How is that not racist or how is that only mild?

and the the Mps expenses scandal?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and the the Mps expenses scandal?

How is that relevant?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

How is that relevant?

It is just contrast

racism is bad natch but its not the only show in town

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is just contrast

racism is bad natch but its not the only show in town

Please dont try and deflect. How are this woman's comments not racist?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Hardly. Her comments are as close as I've seen for a while to true racist. Its s all there. She starts with a denial that she's racist but she just cant understand why she doesn't like black people. I find her comments truly abhorrent and not the misunderstood comments or old fashioned comments I've seen described as racist.

She admits she has a problem with black people and cannot point to one thing to justify it - if indeed it could ever be justified. How is that not racist or how is that only mild?

Excellent points, there is no way to argue against those facts Girth, well said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She has now nothing to do with ukip

Time to close the thread