[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We can but dream! I actually think if independence did happen, within a couple of decades it would mainly be contested by a couple of brand new parties. One would most likely be the SNP under a different banner, though. But they would need a new battle cry...

"death to England"

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[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We can but dream! I actually think if independence did happen, within a couple of decades it would mainly be contested by a couple of brand new parties. One would most likely be the SNP under a different banner, though. But they would need a new battle cry...

Funnily enough I was listening to the radio earlier today and they were discussing the longer term motives of the SNP. Assuming they get 40+ MP's in Westminster they will seek to raise the question of Independance again within a few years. Now Nicola Sturgeon will never admit to that but that is their raison d'etre and no matter how they disguise it they are working towards a "Yes" vote sooner rather than later.

[Helen 28]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Funnily enough I was listening to the radio earlier today and they were discussing the longer term motives of the SNP. Assuming they get 40+ MP's in Westminster they will seek to raise the question of Independance again within a few years. Now Nicola Sturgeon will never admit to that but that is their raison d'etre and no matter how they disguise it they are working towards a "Yes" vote sooner rather than later.

Isn't that obvious, the SNP only exists for one thing only and that's to break away from the rest of the UK, they are totally a one policy party.

If it wasn't achievable there would be no point in carrying on.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

Isn't that obvious, the SNP only exists for one thing only and that's to break away from the rest of the UK, they are totally a one policy party.

If it wasn't achievable there would be no point in carrying on.

I don't think that's necessarily true, they have a proven record in a position of power, they're not a wishy-washy "all talk" party like UKIP or the Greens these days (big ideas for policies but currently all hypothetical). In the absence of independence their goal is putting local concerns of Scottish people first, and IMO they have been doing so since they got into power in Edinburgh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The SNP do a very good job of running Scotland and are very popular

[the truth]

Scotland gdp 216 billion wales gdp 50 billion uk 2.7 trillion
scots 20100 gvp per head England 21,900 per head, wales 15,000 per head northern irish 16,000 per head
uenployment in Scotland 5.9% in wales 7% in England I cant find the figure? bound to be below uk average of 5.7%
so yes scots seem to be doing ok, welsh falling further behind , England doing stronger as always

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

theres vast enormous under current of support for farage
the vast majority agree with him but are too scared to admit it in public , but will admit it in private.

I disagree, I think UKIP voters are extremely vocal, doubt there's many hidden UKIP voters out there.
And to answer your question, too many seats. Like 2 or 3. Far too many.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The SNP do a very good job of running Scotland and are very popular

I generally avoid replying to you like the plague but I have to jump in here and say this is something I 100% agree with you on.

I think they have actually shown the UK the way to govern in a way that is for all,they would get my vote if I lived in Scotland for sure.
Both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon in my view, are committed and competent politicians and it is a good thing both have become leaders of their country too as to governing.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The SNP do a very good job of running Scotland and are very popular

Yes, I know for a fact that there are people who did not vote for independence but would happily still vote SNP for the party in charge of Scotland under devolution.

Many "no" voters who would have voted for DevoMax, too, which IMO is what the whole of the UK actually needs to survive as one nation. It's not working as it is, one size doesn't fit all, the right policies for the center of London read like madness when you try to apply them to a rural village or remote island community, or even to mid-sized towns further North. It's working relatively well in Scotland because 6 million people is a reasonable number of people to "get things right" for... 60 million is just not. It's inevitable that it'll go badly wrong for many, and it is.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

Scotland gdp 216 billion wales gdp 50 billion uk 2.7 trillion
scots 20100 gvp per head England 21,900 per head, wales 15,000 per head northern irish 16,000 per head
uenployment in Scotland 5.9% in wales 7% in England I cant find the figure? bound to be below uk average of 5.7%
so yes scots seem to be doing ok, welsh falling further behind , England doing stronger as always

Take city-state London out of the equation and your figures are ****ed.

[empire]

a large amount of people, have had enough of the establishment parties, the church is being bullied into the hole gay marriage, but the muslim and hindu/sikh faiths are not being forced to do the same thing, nigel farage is right about the equality laws, need scraped, where is it fair that one faith has to be forced by some law to do this, where other faiths get the tip toe treatment,