[Josy]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I'm going on about the need of forum members to find a victim. You are doing that. You're also trying to make Marc out to be saint when he's calling girls fat. Insulting and demeaning remarks justified with the excuse of "banter"

I am in no way trying to make Mark look like anything, I have also said that some of the things he says is out of order.

And no I'm not trying to find a victim, I'm posting my opinion on what I see so how about you stop attempting to tell me what I'm doing.

I personally hate to see a group mentality and would have to speak up if I was present during a situation like that, I find it admirable of Marc that he said exactly what I was thinking.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Josy

I am in no way trying to make Mark look like anything, I have also said that some of the things he says is out of order.

And no I'm not trying to find a victim, I'm posting my opinion on what I see so how about you stop attempting to tell me what I'm doing.

I personally hate to see a group mentality and would have to speak up if I was present during a situation like that, I find it admirable of Marc that he said exactly what I was thinking.

It was essentially Chloe vs. Simon and it involved him being caught out by others saying one thing and then saying the exact opposite. Something he's already been caught out doing with Eileen.

Was Nasty Nick being treated badly when Craig and co. were talking to him at the table?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

It was essentially Chloe vs. Simon and it involved him being caught out by others saying one thing and then saying the exact opposite. Something he's already been caught out doing with Eileen.

Was Nasty Nick being treated badly when Craig and co. were talking to him at the table?

It wasn't Chloe vs Simon, come on

The whole meeting in the store room about how they would reveal it, gathering all the housemates together (Joel) Jack whispering about it to the other housemates etc then them all standing there having their say and Chloe calling him names etc.

And the Nasty Nick thing isn't relevant here IMO.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Josy

It wasn't Chloe vs Simon, come on

It quite clearly was. The others were there to clarify what was said in the diary room so he couldn't lie.

The whole meeting in the store room about how they would reveal it, gathering all the housemates together (Joel) Jack whispering about it to the other housemates etc then them all standing there having their say and Chloe calling him names etc.

After he had betrayed her just as he had done with Eileen. Is she not allowed to feel pissed off by him saying what he did. Are the others not right to bring it up when he does this for a second time and be there to back Chloe up who he has been lying to the face of whilst pretending to be a friend.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

It quite clearly was. The others were there to clarify what was said in the diary room so he couldn't lie.



After he had betrayed her just as he had done with Eileen. Is she not allowed to feel pissed off by him saying what he did. Are the others not right to bring it up when he does this for a second time and be there to back Chloe up who he has been lying to the face of whilst pretending to be a friend.

Of course Chloes allowed to be pissed off but if you want to confront someone there is the adult way of doing it, she was really excited about doing it with her friends though, like when she said 'right when are you all doing it, I can't wait'

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Josy

Of course Chloes allowed to be pissed off but if you want to confront someone there is the adult way of doing it, she was really excited about doing it with her friends though, like when she said 'right when are you all doing it, I can't wait'

She felt it was their call because they had the information. Was it the right way to go about confronting him? Perhaps not. But to start saying it makes you uncomfortable like you're witnessing some sort of terrible example of injustice strikes me as over the top. The irritant got caught out lying again and the HMs are fed up with him. They don't seem the sort to me to subject him to a sustained level of abuse and they didn't.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

After he had betrayed her just as he had done with Eileen.

What do you mean "betrayed" ?
It's a gameshow is it not ?
Even if he did "lie" (personally think it's confused and misunderstood) what's your point ?
They're all meant to be 1 big happy family ?

You say

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

and be there to back Chloe up who he has been lying to the face of whilst pretending to be a friend.

Hang on...
Didn't Chloe agree with Eileen he was the "bad person".
Yet then gave some twaddle about supporting Simon after the Eileen incident ?

Yes, people can say what they like.
But let's not be selective over who's right and wrong.
Chloe is just as 2 faced as Simon here.

Think Josy makes a good point.
Fact they held a meeting AS A GROUP and spoke as a group says it all.

Sure they can do that if they like. (and maybe felt they had to)
But then don't give us guff about "tell me to my face" when they're not prepared to go it alone as individuals.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by the_answers

What do you mean "betrayed" ?
It's a gameshow is it not ?

She felt betrayed. And this "it's a game show" nonsense used to justify people behaving like creeps is rather bizarre to me.

Even if he did "lie" (personally think it's confused and misunderstood) what's your point ? They're all meant to be 1 big happy family ?

Who said that? He was simply caught out for a second time saying one thing to a persons face and the opposite in the diary room. It's people who think he shouldn't be confronted on this who seem to think they should all be playing happy families.

Hang on...
Didn't Chloe agree with Eileen he was the "bad person".
Yet then gave some twaddle about supporting Simon after the Eileen incident

He didn't disagree with that, so I'm prepared to believe that she did do that regardless of one moment in a highly edited show that might suggest otherwise.

Yes, people can say what they like.
But let's not be selective over who's right and wrong.
Chloe is just as 2 faced as Simon here.

No, she is not.

Think Josy makes a good point.
Fact they held a meeting AS A GROUP and spoke as a group says it all.

It doesn't say anything.

Sure they can do that if they like. (and maybe felt they had to)
But then don't give us guff about "tell me to my face" when they're not prepared to go it alone as individuals.

What has going it alone got to do with telling people to their face?

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

She felt betrayed. And this "it's a game show" nonsense used to justify people behaving like creeps is rather bizarre to me.

Oh come on.
Why do you think Marc is always trying to re-assure them ?
Yes there's a fine line but obviously some take it more seriously than others.

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

It's people who think he shouldn't be confronted on this who seem to think they should all be playing happy families.

Sure they can confront him if they want to.
Doesn't mean they're necessarily right though.

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

He didn't disagree with that, so I'm prepared to believe that she did do that regardless of one moment in a highly edited show that might suggest otherwise.

Point is she's still 2 faced herself
We'll agree to disagree on that though.

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

What has going it alone got to do with telling people to their face?

They could have ALL voiced their own grievances to Simon 1 by 1.
Instead, they formed a collective group for greater effect to try to help win the argument.