[BB4fan]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ask yourself the same question.. You seem to have given yourself an answer.. Its Helen Woods... If she thought something was inappropriate, she would say. She's just trying to save her arse with bull**** and it is brutally transparent, she's got you fooled, so job done really, fair play to her. But if you're ready to ignore hard facts just because shes backtracing then you're beyond a rational conversation.

If you say so, but it's something I'm sure would get the attention of the police had any other man done it to a woman. Call it what you like but I call it indecent exposure and he used his frozen duck rubbish to expose himself to Helen.

The man clearly has anger issues as well. His temper in that house was beyond controllable and put his violent outbursts along with his punching walls, throwing shoes around the house, and his stripping off naked to woman and the pattern shows a deeply disturbed brute.

[BENDERBOY]

Utter nonsense of a thread.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by BB4fan

I already explained about that in one of my posts. Helen had to act like she was going along with it to NOT enrage him further.

She had to pretend to be ok with it because she didn't want to let him know how much he scared the poor woman.

Enrage him further? He wasn't enraged. She wasn't scared either.

She twisted the situation to try and justify her own nasty behaviour. Nothing more.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Enrage him further? He wasn't enraged. She wasn't scared either.

She twisted the situation to try and justify her own nasty behaviour. Nothing more.

You do not know if she was scared or not and same goes to the other person.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

You do not know if she was scared or not and same goes to the other person.

Lets go by her character. As if Helen was scared of Brian doing the frozen duck. She would have called him out there and then.

Never mind the fact that at that point there was no beef between Helen and Brian.

From Brian's point of view, if he genuinely wanted to intimidate Helen, why would he use the frozen duck to do it when it got a very positive reaction in BBAus, where he got the idea from.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Lets go by her character. As if Helen was scared of Brian doing the frozen duck. She would have called him out there and then.

Never mind the fact that at that point there was no beef between Helen and Brian.

From Brian's point of view, if he genuinely wanted to intimidate Helen, why would he use the frozen duck to do it when it got a very positive reaction in BBAus, where he got the idea from.

Helen's character shouldn't even come into play, what Brian done was inappropriate, if Helen had been an innocent younger female they would have been outrage but people just assume Helen is lying because it's her.

She could be lying, I don't know and neither do you.

Just picture this, Chris from last year does the exact same thing to Ashley. I guarantee he would have been kicked out... Doesn't matter what Helen's characteristics are.

[billy123]

Lets face it Helen lost the game and took out Marc in the process.. Game set and Match to everyone except Marc and Helen get over it and have a pint.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

Helen's character shouldn't even come into play, what Brian done was inappropriate, if Helen had been an innocent younger female they would have been outrage but people just assume Helen is lying because it's her.

She could be lying, I don't know and neither do you.

Just picture this, Chris from last year does the exact same thing to Ashley. I guarantee he would have been kicked out... Doesn't matter what Helen's characteristics are.

Helen's character shouldn't come into play but a made up scenario involving Chris and Ashleigh should?

There was zero outrage when the clip was put online.
Nothing was shown about Helen being outraged/scared at the time.
Nothing was thrown at Brian during the many arguments with Helen, pertaining to the frozen duck incident.

I'd say she's lying. She's got form. Remember when Chris and Ashleigh were saying really nice things about Helen while she's was ear wigging behind the door?

In Helen's twisted re-telling of the incident she made out that they were vile about her.

[Fendertele]

So if any-one was in the 'work-place' (and after all they were there doing a 'Job'), and a man suddenly stripped off and bent over, would you not have reported him to the manager, yes I believe any-one would, we do have indecent exposure laws in this country, because Brian done it, it's OK, well NO, you can't have a law for one and a law for another. Put it this way if your Daughter came home from work or anywhere and was visibly distressed and told you that a man had been exposing himself in an indecent way to her, would you just laugh it off???...

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Helen's character shouldn't come into play but a made up scenario involving Chris and Ashleigh should?

There was zero outrage when the clip was put online.
Nothing was shown about Helen being outraged/scared at the time.
Nothing was thrown at Brian during the many arguments with Helen, pertaining to the frozen duck incident.

I'd say she's lying. She's got form. Remember when Chris and Ashleigh were saying really nice things about Helen while she's was ear wigging behind the door?

In Helen's twisted re-telling of the incident she made out that they were vile about her.

Yes, the two are totally different. You're using someones characteristics to make out they're lying about being scared of someone, all I've done is make up a hypothetical situation, how is that even similar?

Again there would have been zero outrage as like I've said Helen comes off thick skinned, you'd think she'd be less bothered due to the persona you see from her. Doesn't mean she wasn't scared or uncomfortable. Maybe she showed no emotion to it as that's how she deals with things that make her uncomfortable. Maybe she didn't want to bring it up in front of all the other HMs.

I'm not saying I'm right here, all I'm saying is you don't know because you're not her.

I remember that incident, she caught a part of them talking, which easily could have been perceived as them bitching about her. She walked in at the wrong time. The bit she heard did sound like bitching so she thought they were and tbqh who could blame her thinking that? Majority of the highlights from Chris and Ashleigh from that series was them bitching about other HMs in the tower (whatever it was called, idk).

[JeanP!]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Lets face it Helen lost the game and took out Marc in the process.. Game set and Match to everyone except Marc and Helen get over it and have a pint.

Yeah, because there was something in for her to win this time, being just a special guest not eligible for the prize

Now I understand the need for her haters to twist everything around after the trauma of not being able to stop the Winner of Big Brother 2014 from taking the triumph last year . Must have been hard

Out of all comments I have to admit this one made me laugh the most.

Thank you

[billy123]

Originally Posted by JeanP!

Yeah, because there was something in for her to win this time, being just a special guest not eligible for the prize

Now I understand the need for her haters to twist everything around after the trauma of not being able to stop the Winner of Big Brother 2014 from taking the triumph last year . Must have been hard

Out of all comments I have to admit this one made me laugh the most.

Thank you

I wanted Helen to win last year though. Not because i thought she had anything to offer to society but just because she was a better option than that spiteful face screwing little blonde thing. (i forget her name)

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by bobnot

I wanted Helen to win last year though. Not because i thought she had anything to offer to society but just because she was a better option than that spiteful face screwing little blonde thing. (i forget her name)

Ashleigh, it's understandable you forgot her name.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by BigBuk

Ashleigh, it's understandable you forgot her name.

Thats the one. She pulled faces so full of spite and hate. She made Helen look normal.