[M X]

Originally Posted by RichardG

How did I contradict myself??

Whatever people think the alternative questions or scenarios are that they could've asked doesn't matter, I was just assuming there that people thought the alternative scenario would be that they would 'give' money to their favourites rather than 'evict' their least favourite based on the post I just read beforehand by camertone above, not the point I was making.

I still don't see what the problem is though?? Unless I'm delirious from being awake at 3am and totally missing the point of the thread, people seem to be suggesting that the fact the envelopes were three different colours means the producers knew what amount was in each one, and so they could alter the question they ask accordingly depending on which housemate picks up which one to suit their needs based on who they want evicted.

However, they still only asked the question after they opened up the envelopes, so even if all three envelopes were the same colours, the producers had time to see what amount each housemate picked up when they opened them up and read them out, and then they could still alter the question accordingly just as they would have done earlier if the colours were different. The only difference is that they have to wait an extra 30 seconds to see who picked what and therefore have a tiny bit less time to check their list of questions to see which is most appropriate, but I can't see how that would be a significant problem cause they could only have a maximum of two anyway.

Your contradiction is that in your explanation of your theory you prove the original point that was made in this thread. By having different colours and knowing which value was inside each envelope, they could change their question no matter which envelope each respective housemate chose.

Yes, they asked them the question after they opened the envelope but that means that they still had the time to literally pick one of two or three questions based on which housemate had which.

I guess in layman's terms our disagreement really comes down to the timing of it all.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by M X

Your contradiction is that in your explanation of your theory you prove the original point that was made in this thread. By having different colours and knowing which value was inside each envelope, they could change their question no matter which envelope each respective housemate chose.

Yes, they asked them the question after they opened the envelope but that means that they still had the time to literally pick one of two or three questions based on which housemate had which.

I guess in layman's terms our disagreement really comes down to the timing of it all.

I totally understand the point about timing, they had maybe a minute to pick which question to ask with colours rather than say 30 seconds without colours, but when there's only a couple of questions available to them based on a very limited set of possible outcomes i'd like to think that wouldn't be much of an issue if they really were so adamant to fix/manipulate. Without colours they'd still know after the second had been opened what amount the third hm would have so between watching Sam open the final one and then waiting a little longer to ask the question, that's still a fair amount of time to pick which question when it's a very simple situation to analyse. If they had prepared the twist at all then this shouldn't be a problem, they could still very easily change the question based on which envelopes were picked up if they were all the same colour by the time Jack opened the second one.

Then again they've proved time and time again that they're not very clever through the mess they've made of this season so it's not impossible to believe that they really do need a full minute to get their head around the situation.

[MartianMark]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But, again, there's no need to "dick around" at all if they had two questions ready for two different scenarios.

If they needed to "dick around" then obviously they weren't very well prepared, which then begs the question of why they'd bother with coloured envelopes if they're so sodding useless.

Yet again.... live television. (and since quotes seem to be flying around) "LIVE" television. Did you see how long it took them to open up those envelopes?? Using the colored envelopes gave production enough time to make absolutely 100% certain no mistakes were made.

I'm not saying this is a conspiracy theory. In the end they can can pose whatever question they want. Maybe they wanted Sam out b/c Chloe and Jack will bring in more phone calls.. who knows (or cares). All I'm saying is, in all likelihood, using a color coded system simply bought them an extra 60 sec's just to be absolutely certain no one screwed up since they have very little time after the reveal.

[ConnieLingus]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

MY GOD!

What point have I missed?

Just about every one.

Don't ever go for a job demanding logic skills love.

[Ammi]

..I didn't actually see the envelope thing or what the colours were but surely it would be quite an easy think to 'fix' /I'm not saying that it was a fix but it wouldn't be too difficult for them to choose colours based on an application form and a favourite colour question as that would be a safe assumption of what colour a housemate would be more likely to choose...so always 'knowing' that Sam's would have Ł15,000 in it...

[Kizzy]

I just mentioned this on another thread, the electric blue matched sams outfit or a colour that maybe lads might be more inclined to go for too maybe?

[bitontheslide]

The biggest fix was them not telling the public what they intended to do before doing it. It could be completely innocent, but it leads to conspiracy theories. They could easily change the question depending on what envelope was picked by whom

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by ConnieLingus

Just about every one.

Don't ever go for a job demanding logic skills love.

Do you seriously not understand what he's trying to say?

The question of who to evict was asked after the three housemates had already revealed their money amount, therefore it wouldn't have mattered if the envelopes were colour coded or not.

[REDCROP]

K

Originally Posted by just thinkin

They had different questions prepared depending on who too which amount...if jack had the 15000 they would probably say it would have been deducted rather than added... if it was fair...they should have had aame colour envelopes.

Makes no difference anyway ...The game is to fight 3 apponents ...you gotta get your house mates on side so that they don't nominate you...you gotta get the public on side so that they don't evict you...and you've got to get BB on side so that he doesn't send you to the cutting room floor or engineer a way to get you out .....BB is every house mates apponent not just Sams....if they did already decide to use the twist to get her out then it would have been because she didn't get get them on her side ...which takes us back to the original point and that is she wasn't as good a game player as Chloe or Danny or the others ...like them or not they were all better game players than her

[REDCROP]

The public was never gonna back her either ...not at this stage .. was a miracle she got this far ....why can't people accept defeat instead of keep saying it's not fair ...like little children....like Jack.....my fave was Harry...I'm gutted she went but it was her time...not in my opinion but i understand it....

[Jamesy]

It's true they could have easily fixed it to change the question. So if Sam got the lowest amount the question could have been "whoever you choose to go will take the money out the prize fund", so they pick Sam who is holding the lowest amount of money.

Do we know that was the plan though? No we don't. As much as I dislike the twist these theories are coming out of thin air and just seem to be an attempt for fans to justify their reasons for hating the twist.

I think Sam would have gone whatever amount she had in her hands. She arrived in the house late and naturally with the rest being originals they just won't have as big of a connection to Sam as they do with Jack and Chloe.

I don't even see why this is a problem, the show is over in less than a week, Sam seemed more than happy to leave, she's got Ł5k in her back pocket to take home anyway, and she was hardly the life and soul of the house or the highlights, so her loss isn't a massive blow to the last week.

I agree it's massively unfair but people are really overreacting.

[REDCROP]

Who gives a sh-t...Sam obviously didn't work hard enough or entertain enough to stay....If she had played a better game and there is such a thing as BB engineering twists to protect housemates or evict housemates then that would mean Marc was protected because he impressed BB and Sam was evicted because she didn't ... so it always comes back to the fact that she wasn't as good a game player as the other 6 remaining house mates...to win the show you have to fight 3 obstacles ...your housemates ...The public. ..and Big Brother ....

[Griffin5779]

would think they asks the contestants all kinda question before they enter..whats your favorite food..who is your favorite band...whats your favorite color...

kinda lets them stack the deck if they make the envelopes different colors don't you think?

[Pete.]

I think they had to sell off the TimeBombs so they could only use the envelopes

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ConnieLingus

Just about every one.

Don't ever go for a job demanding logic skills love.

Coming from you that obviously has completely missed what my point is?

Good one.

Go back and read the thread slower love.

[T*]

jesus f-ing Christ @ this thread

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Třm

jesus f-ing Christ @ this thread

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I just mentioned this on another thread, the electric blue matched sams outfit or a colour that maybe lads might be more inclined to go for too maybe?

[brisbanebroncos]

Everything about it seems like a plan to evict Sam. Especially the fact that they didn't mention what the twist was beforehand. I don't seem to recall them not letting the fans in on what was about to happen. I could be wrong.

The only reason why I think it's probably not a conspiracy is what was the point of getting rid of Sam? She wasn't going to win anyway. If it was Chloe that went, then I would be 100% on board with the conspiracy.

[Rob!]

There was an episode of The Colour Of Money years ago presented by Chris Tarrant and one of the machines with money in was the same colour as Sam's eyeliner.

Such a ****ing fix

[Jay.]

i read that apparently they chose colour envelops because it looked good omg could you imagine, mad idea i know

now onto a more important matter, why did they decide to have a gold kitchen?

[Ross.]

Is this really still going on?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jay.

i read that apparently they chose colour envelops because it looked good omg could you imagine, mad idea i know

now onto a more important matter, why did they decide to have a gold kitchen?

Obviously to make them have sex on the kitchen table.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Obviously to make them have sex on the kitchen table.

Harry couldn't resist it with her thong.

[goldensunlight]

How exactly does a colour of an envelope determine a 'fix'? I'm failing to see the correlation here.

Sure they could have changed the question, but I don't know why Big Brother would want Sam out anyway.