[LeatherTrumpet]

is hating on a gay gay for being a hetrophobe considered as homophobia

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

is hating on a gay gay for being a hetrophobe considered as homophobia

is hating homophobes, homophobiaphobia?


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On the topic though, I don't think it needs to be "socially accepted" to be a phobia. There probably is someone in the world who hates straight people. We might as well make a name for it

[Ninastar]

Basically gonna be one of my last posts in this thread, because it's basically just going backwards and forwards now.

I think the main issue is the word 'Heterophobia' which I think is pretty understandable. It makes it sounds like it's a huge issue, which it totally isn't. I don't think one person in this thread has said it. But when I speak of 'Heterophobia' I mean people taking the piss out of straight people, whether they are joking or not, or when someone states that someone can't have an opinion about 'X' because they are straight, or even puts someone down, because they haven't 'had it as badly as them'. I've seen all of these things happen and if it had been the other way around, then people would go crazy.

Yeah, some people might have an issue with the word 'heterophobic' but to dismiss this and call it something else like 'false equivalency' or 'prejudice' is just wrong IMO. It makes it seem like it's not as important/insulting. Yeah, I'll 100% agree with those who say it isn't as big of an issue as homophobia... But it still happens.

My biggest issue with this is the fact that people believe that different issues stand on different platforms. Which is a thread of it's own I guess. I just view everyone equally and I think there's a point where history doesn't necessarily come into things and it doesn't need to. We've come so far as a world (well, the UK has anyway) and I feel like when people constantly bring up the past, nothing will change. Obviously I'm not saying that we should totes forget how badly gay people have been treated, I'm just saying that there are times where that doesn't matter.

I find the results interesting. It's pretty much split in half and some people voted completely differently to what I expected.

I'm glad that the second time this was opened, people mostly were able to debate without silly name calling. One of my biggest hates about serious debates is when people think it's okay to laugh or make fun of someones views. It's just an opinion, you don't need to call someone a name for it

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Basically gonna be one of my last posts in this thread, because it's basically just going backwards and forwards now.

I think the main issue is the word 'Heterophobia' which I think is pretty understandable. It makes it sounds like it's a huge issue, which it totally isn't. I don't think one person in this thread has said it. But when I speak of 'Heterophobia' I mean people taking the piss out of straight people, whether they are joking or not, or when someone states that someone can't have an opinion about 'X' because they are straight, or even puts someone down, because they haven't 'had it as badly as them'. I've seen all of these things happen and if it had been the other way around, then people would go crazy.

Yeah, some people might have an issue with the word 'heterophobic' but to dismiss this and call it something else like 'false equivalency' or 'prejudice' is just wrong IMO. It makes it seem like it's not as important/insulting. Yeah, I'll 100% agree with those who say it isn't as big of an issue as homophobia... But it still happens.

My biggest issue with this is the fact that people believe that different issues stand on different platforms. Which is a thread of it's own I guess. I just view everyone equally and I think there's a point where history doesn't necessarily come into things and it doesn't need to. We've come so far as a world (well, the UK has anyway) and I feel like when people constantly bring up the past, nothing will change. Obviously I'm not saying that we should totes forget how badly gay people have been treated, I'm just saying that there are times where that doesn't matter.

I find the results interesting. It's pretty much split in half and some people voted completely differently to what I expected.

I'm glad that the second time this was opened, people mostly were able to debate without silly name calling. One of my biggest hates about serious debates is when people think it's okay to laugh or make fun of someones views. It's just an opinion, you don't need to call someone a name for it

Lovely post and well summed up. Unfortunately i had to step away from the thread after the last attempt turned into what it did and i ended up having to delete death threats from my personal facebook account which i regret ever posting here over a year ago.
A very strange reaction i have no idea why some felt threatened by the idea or why a couple of them were so dim to feel threatened by it (one of them called george apparently)
Im done here this has finished it off for me. Too many idiots.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Lovely post and well summed up. Unfortunately i had to step away from the thread after the last attempt turned into what it did and i ended up having to delete death threats from my personal facebook account which i regret ever posting here over a year ago.
A very strange reaction i have no idea why some felt threatened by the idea or why a couple of them were so dim to feel threatened by it (one of them called george apparently)
Im done here this has finished it off for me.

[Smithy]

*would just like to say George didn't post on bobnots Facebook if that's what he's implying*

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Smithy

*would just like to say George didn't post on bobnots Facebook if that's what he's implying*

well having been told do die on that same thread myself, i tend to believe Bob

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Lovely post and well summed up. Unfortunately i had to step away from the thread after the last attempt turned into what it did and i ended up having to delete death threats from my personal facebook account which i regret ever posting here over a year ago.
A very strange reaction i have no idea why some felt threatened by the idea or why a couple of them were so dim to feel threatened by it (one of them called george apparently)
Im done here this has finished it off for me. Too many idiots.

What the hell has gone off Bob - I must have missed something. Please don't leave the forum if that's what you mean.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

well having been told do die on that same thread myself, i tend to believe Bob

When did all this happen?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

well having been told do die on that same thread myself, i tend to believe Bob

He was trolling the forum it wasn't as serious as to go out of his way to post on someone's Facebook wall, a wall which would have probably taken ages to find considering it wasn't posted someone that's viewed a lot on the site

Like idk where he posted it, I know George won't have

[armand.kay]

lmao @ the concept...

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Lovely post and well summed up. Unfortunately i had to step away from the thread after the last attempt turned into what it did and i ended up having to delete death threats from my personal facebook account which i regret ever posting here over a year ago.
A very strange reaction i have no idea why some felt threatened by the idea or why a couple of them were so dim to feel threatened by it (one of them called george apparently)
Im done here this has finished it off for me. Too many idiots.

What the actual ****??? Jesus, sorry to hear that. Have you thought about telling one of the mods? That's disgusting.

[Toy Soldier]

See, it's for reasons like this that I have never in 16 years of regular forum use, posted my real details or a picture of myself or anything like that other than in PM's to people I trust.

It's utterly ridiculous that someone has tracked down a Facebook page to post threats but I completely believe it... I've heard of worse happening (for example, people contacting people's friends and family members and saying things like that they are a thief, a rapist or a paedophile. Seriously.)

To be honest, if I was you I'd be contacting forum staff for IP deets.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

See, it's for reasons like this that I have never in 16 years of regular forum use, posted my real details or a picture of myself or anything like that other than in PM's to people I trust.

It's utterly ridiculous that someone has tracked down a Facebook page to post threats but I completely believe it... I've heard of worse happening (for example, people contacting people's friends and family members and saying things like that they are a thief, a rapist or a paedophile. Seriously.)

To be honest, if I was you I'd be contacting forum staff for IP deets.

It is truly shocking and fecking terrible. Like you that is just why I am so careful with personal details.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Lovely post and well summed up. Unfortunately i had to step away from the thread after the last attempt turned into what it did and i ended up having to delete death threats from my personal facebook account which i regret ever posting here over a year ago.
A very strange reaction i have no idea why some felt threatened by the idea or why a couple of them were so dim to feel threatened by it (one of them called george apparently)
Im done here this has finished it off for me. Too many idiots.

This is the first I've heard of this but I'm looking into it and I'm going to message you but I will say we can check if anyone has searched on here for your info

[Jessica.]

Bobnot, why would you specifically mention that you deleted the threats and why would you delete them at all if you could get something done about it?

[Ammi]

..Bob, I'm so sorry....you said in a thread about your experiences but I hadn't realised exactly what you meant ..I understand how you must feel right now but I truly hope that you do keep posting and stay with us.. ..

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Bobnot, why would you specifically mention that you deleted the threats and why would you delete them at all if you could get something done about it?

Exactly, why not tell admin straight away or even report it to Facebook? I'm sure I can take a pretty good guess but whatever it'll be interesting to see what Josy finds out

[Ammi]

..seriously, someone whose Facebook account has been searched out and used to attack and to make threats against them is now somehow in the wrong because their instinct was to delete something so awful and upsetting...so 'victim blaming'../and I'm sure that we would all think that victim blaming was awful if it was a topic/a story involving people we don't even know and have empathy..and yet so often on the forum, no such empathy or understanding for people we interact with daily....who are part of this forum community...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..seriously, someone whose Facebook account has been searched out and used to attack and to make threats against them is now somehow in the wrong because their instinct was to delete something so awful and upsetting...so 'victim blaming'../and I'm sure that we would all think that victim blaming was awful if it was a topic/a story involving people we don't even know and have empathy..and yet so often on the forum, no such empathy or understanding for people we interact with daily....who are part of this forum community...

Another balanced and brilliant post Ammi.

I really feel for Bob and hope that he doesn't quit the forum because he is a valued member and it would be a great, great shame.

[Mystic Mock]

Don't worry Bob, I'm sure that Josy and the rest of the Admins will find something out.

[GypsyGoth]

Not liking breeders and not wanting to hang out with them because they're straight, sure does exist.

[Niamh.]

Breeders

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..seriously, someone whose Facebook account has been searched out and used to attack and to make threats against them is now somehow in the wrong because their instinct was to delete something so awful and upsetting...so 'victim blaming'../and I'm sure that we would all think that victim blaming was awful if it was a topic/a story involving people we don't even know and have empathy..and yet so often on the forum, no such empathy or understanding for people we interact with daily....who are part of this forum community...

i do wonder myself why people support and defend those who wish death on other forum members, but I shouldn't be surprised as I remember clearly the attitudes and the posters involved during the incident in question.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Not liking breeders and not wanting to hang out with them because they're straight, sure does exist.

This is highly offensive to straight people who are unable to produce children. Check your privilege; Stop fertility shaming.