[TomC]

Originally Posted by letmein

Sexuality is hardwired. There are health benefits to sex. In order for the human race to survive, we need to reproduce. The reason why we masturbate is to let off steam as to not kill one another. Sex also socializes species. Children are also sexual beings. Boys have erections in the womb. Children explore their private parts. Anyone who's studied Freud understands this. Homosexuality takes place in the animal kingdom as well. These are not taught traits. They're biological. It's coded.

Reproduction biologically can only happen between a man and a woman so surely that logic is flawed? You do have a desire to reproduce harwired but I think that's separate to who you are attracted to.

Boys may have erections in the womb perhaps but that doesn't relate to who they are attracted to!

What are not taught traits? What is biological? What is coded? There's no scientific evidence to say homosexuality is coded, which is what we're discussing. There may be a coded desire to reproduce but it's not coded whp you will be attracted to.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow

What are not taught traits? What is biological? What is coded? There's no scientific evidence to say homosexuality is coded, which is what we're discussing. There may be a coded desire to reproduce but it's not coded who you will be attracted to.

This kind of sums up my beliefs- would people say that being attracted to say, blonde people, is genetically hardwired? The desire for sex, the libido, is essential for survival of the human race and so is determined by genetics, but not, in my opinion, who you are attracted to.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes its the Cells XY XX
you are born gay or bi
or normal


Sign Of The Times

?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes its the Cells XY XX
you are born gay or bi
or normal


Sign Of The Times

[Ammi]

..I guess that I'm still getting my thoughts around sexuality being something that could be 'influenced' if that was the case that it was so...I mean I can understand the influence of 'stifling and repressing' ..for instance if a religious believe system of family/environment etc that would confuse someone because of the confliction with their sexuality ..so maybe something that they may even try to deny themselves for a very long time...but their sexuality would still be part of them and that wouldn't change, it would just make them unhappy and confused in their lives...?...

[Conzors]

I dont really think your born anything. Its society that assumes your born straight. I remember growing up in primary school fancying women but thats only because that was the normal thing to do at the time. Then in senior school I was figuring out what i actually liked and realised that i liked men.

People on here know my hatred for stereotypical gays who like to make themselves known (louie spence) and they are just a small minorty of gay people that gives us that bad stereotype - but thats another conversation.

In response to your question - No, I don't think your born gay (even though theres a tiny bit of evidence that suggests otherwise) I think your born nothing, but your bought up that being straight is the norm - which to an extent it is as its the most common sexuality.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I dont really think your born anything. Its society that assumes your born straight. I remember growing up in primary school fancying women but thats only because that was the normal thing to do at the time. Then in senior school I was figuring out what i actually liked and realised that i liked men.

People on here know my hatred for stereotypical gays who like to make themselves known (louie spence) and they are just a small minorty of gay people that gives us that bad stereotype - but thats another conversation.

In response to your question - No, I don't think your born gay (even though theres a tiny bit of evidence that suggests otherwise) I think your born nothing, but your bought up that being straight is the norm - which to an extent it is as its the most common sexuality.

Yeah I can relate to this. I fancied girls when I was young but only because it was seen as 'normal' to do, and now that I realise I am gay, I know that what I felt back then was not attraction at all. More just friendship.

[TomC]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yeah I can relate to this. I fancied girls when I was young but only because it was seen as 'normal' to do, and now that I realise I am gay, I know that what I felt back then was not attraction at all. More just friendship.

Yep, I went through that too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

arista

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I dont really think your born anything. Its society that assumes your born straight. I remember growing up in primary school fancying women but thats only because that was the normal thing to do at the time. Then in senior school I was figuring out what i actually liked and realised that i liked men.

People on here know my hatred for stereotypical gays who like to make themselves known (louie spence) and they are just a small minorty of gay people that gives us that bad stereotype - but thats another conversation.

In response to your question - No, I don't think your born gay (even though theres a tiny bit of evidence that suggests otherwise) I think your born nothing, but your bought up that being straight is the norm - which to an extent it is as its the most common sexuality.

[Smithy]

umm yes haven't you heard the song??

Youtube video

[letmein]

Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow

Reproduction biologically can only happen between a man and a woman so surely that logic is flawed? You do have a desire to reproduce harwired but I think that's separate to who you are attracted to.

Boys may have erections in the womb perhaps but that doesn't relate to who they are attracted to!

What are not taught traits? What is biological? What is coded? There's no scientific evidence to say homosexuality is coded, which is what we're discussing. There may be a coded desire to reproduce but it's not coded whp you will be attracted to.

You simply are too limited for this subject. Do your research; finish school.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I dont really think your born anything. Its society that assumes your born straight. I remember growing up in primary school fancying women but thats only because that was the normal thing to do at the time. Then in senior school I was figuring out what i actually liked and realised that i liked men.

People on here know my hatred for stereotypical gays who like to make themselves known (louie spence) and they are just a small minorty of gay people that gives us that bad stereotype - but thats another conversation.

In response to your question - No, I don't think your born gay (even though theres a tiny bit of evidence that suggests otherwise) I think your born nothing, but your bought up that being straight is the norm - which to an extent it is as its the most common sexuality.

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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by letmein

Sexuality is hardwired. There are health benefits to sex. In order for the human race to survive, we need to reproduce. The reason why we masturbate is to let off steam as to not kill one another. Sex also socializes species. Children are also sexual beings. Boys have erections in the womb. Children explore their private parts. Anyone who's studied Freud understands this. Homosexuality takes place in the animal kingdom as well. These are not taught traits. They're biological. It's coded.

Yes, our sexual desire is natural and part of human nature.

But our sexual preferences are not.

If our sexuality was "hardwired" then surely the human race as a whole would be attracted to the same things / or attracted to everyone. But we're not.

The whole purpose of sex for humans biologically is to reproduce so obviously homosexual feelings does not stem from that. Unless you're of the belief that homosexuality came about to control overpopulation but I find that preposterous.

[kirklancaster]

When I was young and me mam got preggie
I prayed for a little bruvver.
But she went and had bloody triplets
One of each and one of the uvver.

What does it all REALLY matter?

We are what we are and are who we are. Departure points are unimportant, it's arrival at our destination and the journey in between which matter.

'Tempus Fugit' and Life is Short', so make the best of it, and enjoy every precious moment.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, our sexual desire is natural and part of human nature.

But our sexual preferences are not.

If our sexuality was "hardwired" then surely the human race as a whole would be attracted to the same things / or attracted to everyone. But we're not.

The whole purpose of sex for humans biologically is to reproduce so obviously homosexual feelings does not stem from that. Unless you're of the belief that homosexuality came about to control overpopulation but I find that preposterous.

100% agree. I think to be attracted to someone is natural but who you're attracted to depends on you're environment. This would also explain why people tend to be more attracted to their own ethnicities. And why different cultures have different standards of beauty.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

100% agree. I think to be attracted to someone is natural but who you're attracted to depends on you're environment. This would also explain why people tend to be more attracted to their own ethnicities. And why different cultures have different standards of beauty.

actually that doesn't explain it at all, because diversity is actually evolutionarily preferable, the bigger the gene pool the more a species can flourish. So if it was all about reproduction then people would be less attracted to people of similar ethnicities and similar backgrounds.

[lostalex]

Personally i think being gay is just like being left handed. Most people are right handed, but some people are left handed. Most people are heterosexual, but some people are homosexual. It's just a natural variance in some of the species.

Why are some people naturally gifted at music and art? Why are some people naturally inclined towards math and science? It's just the natural differences in the way our brains develop. Why are some people very outgoing and some people are very shy?

We are a very diverse species and it's all completely natural.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by lostalex

actually that doesn't explain it at all, because diversity is actually evolutionarily preferable, the bigger the gene pool the more a species can flourish. So if it was all about reproduction then people would be less attracted to people of similar ethnicities and similar backgrounds.

I didn't say it was all about reproduction that's the whole point of my post lol. I'm basically trying to say that the urge to reproduce (i.e. Getting turned on, being horny etc) is innate while who your attracted to isn't. So yeah evolutionary it doesn't make sense why someone would be more attracted to their ethnicity but socially it does.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I didn't say it was all about reproduction that's the whole point of my post lol. I'm basically trying to say that the urge to reproduce (i.e. Getting turned on, being horny etc) is innate while who your attracted to isn't. So yeah evolutionary it doesn't make sense why someone would be more attracted to their ethnicity but socially it does.

IC, i misunderstood you, but i still don't agree that it is all about environmental influences that decide who you are sexually attracted to. My brother was raised the same way i was by the same parents in the same environment but he's straight.

He grew up in the same family, in the same schools, the same church, with the same TV shows, the same music, in the same society, but he is straight and i am gay

[armand.kay]

Maybe some people do have a gay disposition but I think the impact of your environment is undermined and I think a lot of research lately could be a bit bias because people are looking for a gay gene of some sort to support the born this way theory.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Maybe some people do have a gay disposition but I think the impact of your environment is undermined and I think a lot of research lately could be a bit bias because people are looking for a gay gene of some sort to support the born this way theory.

like i said before, it's just as simple as some people are left handed. who cares that some people are different?

Why do we even care why some people are gay or left handed? some people just are. stop treating them like **** and there is no problem there's no reason to even think about it.

How much thought do you put into why some people are left handed or are artistic or are good at math? just accept that everyone is different.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by lostalex

IC, i misunderstood you, but i still don't agree that it is all about environmental influences that decide who you are sexually attracted to. My brother was raised the same way i was by the same parents in the same environment but he's straight.

He grew up in the same family, in the same schools, the same church, with the same TV shows, the same music, in the same society, but he is straight and i am gay

Yeah but you can never 100% recreate someone's childhood experiences etc like it's highly unlikely people treated you both exactly the same especially if you're both difrent ages (are you? idk lol). I could also argue that you both have similar genetics how comes he or other family members aren't gay too (again I'm totally guessing. Also if it was totally genetics then how can a set of identical twins have different sexual orientations? i mean they have identical dna

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Yeah but you can never 100% recreate someone's childhood experiences etc like it's highly unlikely people treated you both exactly the same especially if you're both difrent ages (are you? idk lol). I could also argue that you both have similar genetics how comes he or other family members aren't gay too (again I'm totally guessing. Also if it was totally genetics then how can a set of identical twins have different sexual orientations? i mean they have identical dna

the point is, who cares. no one spends this much time thinking about why identical twins if one prefers brown haired girls and one prefers blondes. Who the hell cares???

no one should care why you are attracted to who you are attracted to. it just is how it is.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by lostalex

like i said before, it's just as simple as some people are left handed. who cares that some people are different?

Why do we even care why some people are gay or left handed? some people just are. stop treating them like **** and there is no problem there's no reason to even think about it.

How much thought do you put into why some people are left handed or are artistic or are good at math? just accept that everyone is different.

Idk I'm just really fascinated by human behaviour in general and yeah I'm left handed so I have thought a bit about it