[Johnnyuk123]

Science has proved many many things about the world and still creationists from many religions refute the many facts about this world surrounding them. Has religion had it's day or should we still believe in the invisible man and more importantly Father Christmas? Discuss....

[Glenn.]

It should be wiped from civilizations in every way.

[Cherie]

Is it Wine O Clock?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Quasar

It should be wiped from civilizations in every way.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Is it Wine O Clock?

Always, remember they ply you with vino in church too.

[Mokka]

It's threads like these that make me steer clear of Unrealistic Debates and News

[Jessica.]

I don't think religion should be encouraged but religious people shouldn't be scrutinised for their choice either. We don't need another thread hating on religious people.

[lewis111]

It has caused a lot of problems in the world but you can't exactly say to someone "you can't believe or think this", as long as it's not affecting people through war or opinions against things then people should be allowed to belve what they want, even if science proves other wise

[Johnnyuk123]

I remember going to sunday school and being told that 5000 people were fed with only 5 loaves and two fish. Coming from a large family i knew at 6yrs of age that this was simply not true. For one my brother always had 5 fish fingers and 6 slices of bread and thats from a family of nine kids at dinner time. So do the math.

[JoshBB]

Yes it should be taken seriously, because we should respect and tolerate other peoples' beliefs.. not just our own.

Threads like this are why people don't take atheists seriously.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Always, remember they ply you with vino in church too.

Never had wine in church, each to their own, faith can provide a huge comfort to some, and if people are non believers I have no issue with that, personally I fall between the two, don't particularly have a strong faith but not exactly a non believer as I do like some aspects of Church services.

[Jay.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I don't think religion should be encouraged but religious people shouldn't be scrutinised for their choice either. We don't need another thread hating on religious people.

This

Let people get on with whatever they want to do, and live their life however they wish.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by lewis111

It has caused a lot of problems in the world but you can't exactly say to someone "you can't believe or think this", as long as it's not affecting people through war or opinions against things then people should be allowed to belve what they want, even if science proves other wise

I agree 100% people should be allowed to believe in whatever they want. If they want to believe that the world is flat that is fine with me. That is their choice.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I agree 100% people should be allowed to believe in whatever they want. If they want to believe that the world is flat that is fine with me. That is their choice.

I've never met a person who thinks the world is flat.. have you?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I've never met a person who thinks the world is flat.. have you?

Read the Bible.It's in there.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Read the Bible.It's in there.

Where abouts? It's a long book.

Also just because it's in the bible doesn't mean that religious people believe it.. there are differences between liberal religion and literalism.

[Samuel.]

No.

[King Gizzard]

Yes

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Where abouts? It's a long book.

Also just because it's in the bible doesn't mean that religious people believe it.. there are differences between liberal religion and literalism.

I agree with you on that. But it is defo in there as is the talking snake and the man who lived inside a whale at the bottom of the ocean for 3 days and another man who parted the sea by waving his hands at the ocean.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I agree with you on that. But it is defo in there as is the talking snake and the man who lived inside a whale at the bottom of the ocean for 3 days and another man who parted the sea by waving his hands at the ocean.

I think the most important parts of those stories were the morals.. not their content. And tbf, it makes the book a bit more interesting anyway

[Johnnyuk123]

If tomorrows headlines front page said...Kerry Katona slept for 3 days inside a whale in the north sea at the bottom of the ocean and lived to tell the tale we would all laugh.Even with picture evidence we would still laugh about it BUT remove KERRY KATONAS name from that headline and replace it with JESUS and people would take it as truth.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I think the most important parts of those stories were the morals.. not their content. And tbf, it makes the book a bit more interesting anyway

The book for me is moral based and thats a good thing. But to be fair all religions are moral based. Beyond the moral bases its a no no for me and that's down too science and their facts.

[Livia]

You're all free to believe what you believe. Shalom, people.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

The book for me is moral based and thats a good thing. But to be fair all religions are moral based. Beyond the moral bases its a no no for me and that's down too science and their facts.

Most religious people in 2015 (in this country anyway) probably view it the same way.

You might find this interesting - http://www.brin.ac.uk/news/2014/the-...s-affiliation/

(more people have no religion than any other group, and 61.4% of 18-24 year-olds have no religion)

[kirklancaster]

PERHAPS THIS SUITS YOUR THEORY JOHNNY? IT'S A PASTE FROM ONE OF MY EARLIER POSTS - BUT EVERY WORD IS MEANT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY - It Seems.


CAPTAIN KIRK'S LOG - TIBB DATE 765,987.1

In the Year 18,980 B.T. (Before The Great Prophet TIBB) Our crew were assigned to Inter Stellar Investigatory Ship (ISIS) 6546. Our mission? To cruise the entire cosmos in search of intelligent life forms.

The first planet with signs of organic life which we encountered was one which we had classified as 3354 in the Sector 347 - a Solar System near the Andromeda Galaxy - a planet called EARTH.

The creatures were organic but very primitive. and probably the weirdest life forms we had ever encountered. They were elusive and very difficult to capture, but we eventually caught one specimen and beamed it up into our laboratory.

This strange alien was less than 1.5 meters tall and was at first, extremely ferocious, then suddenly timid, as if it was in awe of us. It had heavily wrinkled, leathery brown skin and two deep set obsidian eyes beneath thick long red eyebrows and a shock of thick red hair. The creature had one arm on one side of its slender body and what can only be described as a rudimentary winding handle fashioned from some type of metal on the other side of its body.

The creature seemed to have male genitalia though it was really tiny and obscured by a weird type of pouch hanging from a belt around its waist.

The strangest feature though was its three huge lobed ears - one on the left side, one on the right side, and a FINAL FRONT EAR.

Then the creature looked directly at me, and I said; "I am Kirk of the TIBB Federation. Who are you?" The creature spoke ,in low, guttural, quite aggressive tones which our green hulk of a Cyborg R. E-STAR (ARISTA - geddit?) translated:

"Him Leather Trumpet of Planet Earth. Yes. He Think You Are A God."

I replied "No, I am Kirk a Tibbian." But the creature persisted and R.E STAR translated: "Yes. He Is Sure. Kirk Is His God But No God Only Dawkins".

I raised my hand to halt the laughter from the crew and continued to communicate with our little friend, and it transpired that he came from a land on this planet called 'SCORT' - or as R.E. STAR said; "SCORT LAND". It was revealed that the alien only needed one arm because despite his superficial ferocity, he was half harmless, and that the strange metallic device on the other side of his body was, indeed an ancient winding crank, because Leather Trumpet was a cranky old 'winder upper' - apparently, he was famous among his people for this.

R.E. STAR also questioned him about the strange pouch covering his genitalia and it seemed that Leather Trumpet was some kind of Micro Biologist, because, he apparently used to keep some kind of Spore captive in the pouch but it must have escaped and fled at speed, because R.E. STAR said that the alien kept pointing to his pouch and saying; "MY SPORE RAN."

The strange little alien who had seemed so unfriendly at first soon endeared himself to us as we became used to his ways, and we studied him for over one Tibb Lunar Cycle, then it was time for us to let him go and return to our own world. We asked him where he wanted dropping off and I don't think he understood despite R.E. STAR's best efforts, and we ended up asking him where he would usually be right now if we had not captured him, but he kept referring to being trapped in boggy land - or as R.E. STAR probably misinterpreted it; "Stuck into MARSH".

Anyway, I parted company with the strange little primitive alien but not before patting his head and promising him that one day I would return and take him to my world - if he was good. As we blasted off I was sure that we'd never forget him.

CAPTAIN KIRK'S LOG: SUPPLEMENTAL - TIBB DATE 825,764.5

ISIS 5410 recently returned from 3354 in the Sector 347 of the Andromeda Galaxy - the strange world we visited all those years ago, and the Captain reports that the little alien Leather Trumpet is now the leader and Holy Prophet of the planet's main religion; KIRKISM, which worships a God who came down from the heavens in a fiery metal CABER and promised one day to return.

The sad part is that the prophet Leather Trumpet is carrying out mass slaughter of all those on his world who refuse to convert to Kirkism.
...............................................

Naw TIBBERS - This is just me, Kirk having a larf - don't worry, nothing like this could ever happen here..........................Could it?