[arista]

[Anti-Muslim hate crime is to be recorded by police in a separate category for the first time, David Cameron will announce today.
The move, long demanded by Muslim groups, is an attempt to build trust between Islamic communities and police and reveal whether Islamophobia is on the rise.
The most recent statistics from 2014 revealed a 45 per cent increase in religious hate crimes.
Mr Cameron said: “I want British Muslims to know we will back them to stand against those who spread hate and to counter the narrative which says Muslims do not feel British.” ]

Ref : Sun Online
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-category.html

[Mokka]

how nice... while my government is under the view that anti-Muslim is the way forward for Canada...

I'm thinking of immigrating to the UK myself

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mokka

how nice... while my government is under the view that anti-Muslim is the way forward for Canada...

I'm thinking of immigrating to the UK myself

There is Loads that want you to

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[Anti-Muslim hate crime is to be recorded by police in a separate category for the first time, David Cameron will announce today.
The move, long demanded by Muslim groups, is an attempt to build trust between Islamic communities and police and reveal whether Islamophobia is on the rise.
The most recent statistics from 2014 revealed a 45 per cent increase in religious hate crimes.
Mr Cameron said: “I want British Muslims to know we will back them to stand against those who spread hate and to counter the narrative which says Muslims do not feel British.” ]

Ref : Sun Online
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-category.html

Well done Cameron, that said if police resources continue to be cut will there be man/woman power to address it, this might be addressed in the link but I can't open it

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by arista

[Anti-Muslim hate crime is to be recorded by police in a separate category for the first time, David Cameron will announce today.
The move, long demanded by Muslim groups, is an attempt to build trust between Islamic communities and police and reveal whether Islamophobia is on the rise.
The most recent statistics from 2014 revealed a 45 per cent increase in religious hate crimes.
Mr Cameron said: “I want British Muslims to know we will back them to stand against those who spread hate and to counter the narrative which says Muslims do not feel British.” ]

Ref : Sun Online
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-category.html

If muslims don't 'feel' British, it's because they don't embrace the British way of life, but insist on a 'their way or the highway' approach to living in britain. It's about time Cameron and other MP's started thinking about the Brits for a change and what's best for us.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

If muslims don't 'feel' British, it's because they don't embrace the British way of life, but insist on a 'their way or the highway' approach to living in britain. It's about time Cameron and other MP's started thinking about the Brits for a change and what's best for us.

This isn't anything to do with 'feeling British'.

Edited to add....Many Muslims living in Britain were born and raised here. That makes them British.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can think of other priorities

[Kizzy]

It's a decent anti terrorism strategy, how do you stop young British Muslims becoming disaffected? Stop treating them like the enemy.

[Northern Monkey]

Well are'nt they special eh.

[bots]

all the police will be doing is ticking a different box if an incident is within that category. It is a statistic that can work both ways. If there is negligible reported hate crime then they can't say they are persecuted etc. It can only be of benefit to record it.

[kirklancaster]

Once again, a pro-active MINORITY commandeers the media attention at the expense of the silent, moderate MAJORITY.

The majority of British Muslims DO NOT feel disenfranchised or being made to feel Non-British.

The Majority of British Muslims grasp with gratitude, the opportunities which immigration into this country - for them or their forebears - has afforded them, and they INTEGRATE whilst retaining their own cultural and religious identity. They avail themselves of the chance to study, work hard and succeed, and are PROUD to BE British AND MUSLIM.

I need not say anymore, I will let the beautiful, moderate, honest and thoroughly BRITISH MUSLIM Nadiya Hussein speak for me:

'Her love of baking can be traced back to the age of 12, when she attended Challney High School in Luton. One teacher in particular, Mrs Marshall, took it upon herself to encourage the young girl, even getting her to help prepare for the baking classes.
Mrs Hussain recalled: ‘I had to make puff pastry in my first class. I remember my teacher Mrs Marshall saying I was really good. I got so into it that when Mrs Marshall used to prepare for her next class at lunchtime I would sneak in and watch her. She never minded. Eventually she said I could give her a hand. Over four years I got quite good.

‘I love making British classics, things that Mrs Marshall taught me. I wonder if she has been watching Bake Off, because she was definitely the person who inspired me’.

"I’m just as British as anyone else, and I hope I have proved that. I think the show is a fantastic representation of British society today. The feedback I have had reveals how accepting people are of different cultures and religions. Now people know who I am, I can see how tolerant and accepting British society is’.

[DemolitionRed]

This is a little off topic but following on from Kirks post.

From my own experience (I spent some years working within Muslim communities), I would say that the older generation of Muslims do the talking and rarely give the younger generation a platform to air their own views. Young Muslims in Britain often feel challenged between the strict rules within their parental community and a more evolved life outside of that community. Outside they are treated as equals and have more opportunities but this is so often not the case within their family/community environment.

Yes, we can take random instances because there will always be exceptions but to understand the general discontentment, we need to look at the law of averages.

I believe there is a significant minority of discontent and frustration from young Muslims living here in the west because of the multi-identity issues. If they become more westernised they are stigmatized by their elders and if they abide by the rules of their elders, they don't progress or have the same opportunities.

If we go into some of the British ex-pat communities in Spain, we can find young adults within that community that don't identify as being Spanish, even though they were born and raised their. Its exactly the same here for many young British Muslims that were born British but raised with expectations that they are not British.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is a little off topic but following on from Kirks post.

From my own experience (I spent some years working within Muslim communities), I would say that the older generation of Muslims do the talking and rarely give the younger generation a platform to air their own views. Young Muslims in Britain often feel challenged between the strict rules within their parental community and a more evolved life outside of that community. Outside they are treated as equals and have more opportunities but this is so often not the case within their family/community environment.

Yes, we can take random instances because there will always be exceptions but to understand the general discontentment, we need to look at the law of averages.

I believe there is a significant minority of discontent and frustration from young Muslims living here in the west because of the multi-identity issues. If they become more westernised they are stigmatized by their elders and if they abide by the rules of their elders, they don't progress or have the same opportunities.

If we go into some of the British ex-pat communities in Spain, we can find young adults within that community that don't identify as being Spanish, even though they were born and raised their. Its exactly the same here for many young British Muslims that were born British but raised with expectations that they are not British.

I can see that to a point but it only addresses the issue from the perspective that the crux of the problem lies within communities, yet the action is to address the 45% increase in violence against Muslims from outside their own communities.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is a little off topic but following on from Kirks post.

From my own experience (I spent some years working within Muslim communities), I would say that the older generation of Muslims do the talking and rarely give the younger generation a platform to air their own views. Young Muslims in Britain often feel challenged between the strict rules within their parental community and a more evolved life outside of that community. Outside they are treated as equals and have more opportunities but this is so often not the case within their family/community environment.

Yes, we can take random instances because there will always be exceptions but to understand the general discontentment, we need to look at the law of averages.

I believe there is a significant minority of discontent and frustration from young Muslims living here in the west because of the multi-identity issues. If they become more westernised they are stigmatized by their elders and if they abide by the rules of their elders, they don't progress or have the same opportunities.

If we go into some of the British ex-pat communities in Spain, we can find young adults within that community that don't identify as being Spanish, even though they were born and raised their. Its exactly the same here for many young British Muslims that were born British but raised with expectations that they are not British.

A well written post which highlights very valid points.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I can see that to a point but it only addresses the issue from the perspective that the crux of the problem lies within communities, yet the action is to address the 45% increase in violence against Muslims from outside their own communities.

Sure, I was digressing a little but I think its important we look at the whole issue and its complexities. Perhaps if more people understood why many Muslims who were born and raised here, do not follow white British traditions and habits because of internal expectations, they would be a little more understanding... or is that expecting too much?!?!

This isn’t just about Muslims in Britain, this is about racism. When people rant on threads like this about a Muslims habits and traditions in 'OUR' country, they are not just ranting about Muslims but Hindus, Sikhs and Orthodox Jews, who all have different habits and traditions to us.

The rise in racism towards Muslims has been simmering on the back burner for some time in this country. With numerous wars in the Middle East, the 9/11 attack, the cold blooded slaughter of Westerners by ISIS and the more recent flood of Muslims fleeing their war torn land, its no surprise that the seeds of Islamophobia have grown into something that now resembles institutional racism. This isn’t about traditions, it isn’t about their habits, its about a peoples belief in something they believe as potentially evil and hugely damaging to our economy.

As our housing shortages worsen and unemployment figures rise, the press and other media sources (not all) have agitated that simmering pot of our discontent, not towards our capitalist greedy government but towards Muslim immigrants. When public statements are made and not criticized by certain newspapers; when racist sympathy isn’t balanced with Muslim sympathizers in the public eye, we risk it becoming socially expectable to oppress and discriminate an entire race of people.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Sure, I was digressing a little but I think its important we look at the whole issue and its complexities. Perhaps if more people understood why many Muslims who were born and raised here, do not follow white British traditions and habits because of internal expectations, they would be a little more understanding... or is that expecting too much?!?!

This isn’t just about Muslims in Britain, this is about racism. When people rant on threads like this about a Muslims habits and traditions in 'OUR' country, they are not just ranting about Muslims but Hindus, Sikhs and Orthodox Jews, who all have different habits and traditions to us.

The rise in racism towards Muslims has been simmering on the back burner for some time in this country. With numerous wars in the Middle East, the 9/11 attack, the cold blooded slaughter of Westerners by ISIS and the more recent flood of Muslims fleeing their war torn land, its no surprise that the seeds of Islamophobia have grown into something that now resembles institutional racism. This isn’t about traditions, it isn’t about their habits, its about a peoples belief in something they believe as potentially evil and hugely damaging to our economy.

As our housing shortages worsen and unemployment figures rise, the press and other media sources (not all) have agitated that simmering pot of our discontent, not towards our capitalist greedy government but towards Muslim immigrants. When public statements are made and not criticized by certain newspapers; when racist sympathy isn’t balanced with Muslim sympathizers in the public eye, we risk it becoming socially expectable to oppress and discriminate an entire race of people.

You're not digressing you're confusing the issue, lot's of ethnic groups have cultural differences to ours and we don't make any allowances for anyone, Muslims aren't special
Personally I don't subscribe to the view it's simply good old fashioned racism either, I think the the abuse is Muslim centric due to the conflict between the west and ISIS.
We are looking warily at any and all Muslims yes, British and refugees due to the hysteria surrounding the terrorist threat. Could it breed vigilantes? yes, on both sides.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You're not digressing you're confusing the issue, lot's of ethnic groups have cultural differences to ours and we don't make any allowances for anyone, Muslims aren't special
Personally I don't subscribe to the view it's simply good old fashioned racism either, I think the the abuse is Muslim centric due to the conflict between the west and ISIS.
We are looking warily at any and all Muslims yes, British and refugees due to the hysteria surrounding the terrorist threat. Could it breed vigilantes? yes, on both sides.

I was brought up in multi cultural London. I was raised to embrace its diversity. I'm well aware that there are people who condemn an entire race but I've never mixed or will mix with such people. People like that are much more of a threat to my world than the people they so readily condemn.

I agree, it is Muslim centric and that is due to the conflicts in the middle east. This has bred hysteria and there is no doubt that vigilante groups are forming on both sides.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I was brought up in multi cultural London. I was raised to embrace its diversity. I'm well aware that there are people who condemn an entire race but I've never mixed or will mix with such people. People like that are much more of a threat to my world than the people they so readily condemn.

I agree, it is Muslim centric and that is due to the conflicts in the middle east. This has bred hysteria and there is no doubt that vigilante groups are forming on both sides.

I was bought up in Bradford, we understand each other then

[empire]

muslims don't want to be part of are way of life, and the government must stop pandering to them, in germany they have attacked churches, in this country they can say what they want about us, and are not thrown in court, if you dare tell the truth about them, you are punished, the mps should be charged with treason to the people of this country, for selling out are way of life, and freedoms, to a group of people who want to take us over and impose their way of life on us,

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I was bought up in Bradford, we understand each other then

I've got an aunty in Bradford and she taught me to skate at Bradford ice rink

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I've got an aunty in Bradford and she taught me to skate at Bradford ice rink

I hope she took you to the media museum too, Bradford is a hidden gem of the north

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by empire

muslims don't want to be part of are way of life, and the government must stop pandering to them, in germany they have attacked churches, in this country they can say what they want about us, and are not thrown in court, if you dare tell the truth about them, you are punished, the mps should be charged with treason to the people of this country, for selling out are way of life, and freedoms, to a group of people who want to take us over and impose their way of life on us,

How many muslims do you know personally? Because the few that I know, none of them want any of these things..