[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The atrocities which have just happened in Paris are not a victory for the evil terrorists - they are a victory for every deluded, self-blind, ideological, liberal bleeding heart who for decades now have lambasted our lone voices crying in the wilderness when we warned of all this, and ridiculed our messages of truth as xenophobic and racist.

These 'bleeding hearts' have all been very successful. They have intimidated and bullied and frightened the majority - who DO agree with US - into silence, with their sermons on 'Political Correctness' because that majority dare not speak the truth for fear of being labelled xenophobic or racist.

Corbyn's election has figurehead of a major political party is the result of those decades of subversiveness just as the bombings and massacres across the 'Free' world are.


Did any of these terrorist bastards drop into Paris by parachute from ISIS Military Jets?

No, of course not.

The French LET them in. Welcomed them. Housed them, gave them benefits, educations, jobs.

Just like us.

[Kizzy]

The violence is stepping up due to the airstrikes, there has to be some correlation. Peace talks are not 'blowing smoke'

[Northern Monkey]

Good news!I hope he burned slowly.
This is why US drone strikes are many times more accurate than the crazy Russians in their out of date jets dropping their dumbfire bombs on anyone who opposes Assad including the Free Syrian Army.I've seen footage of Russian bombs missing their targets in Syria.

As for Corbyn,If he actually believes troops should have gone in and captured this maniac and brought back it just proves at the very minimum what a tactically inept dangerous bastard he really is.
He would rather multiple US troops possibly died than an evil head chopping terrorist be taken out

OR

He has absolutely no clue what he is doing and is dangerously negligent.

Whichever it is let us hope this cretin never sees real power where he has to make decisions which affect the country and lives of the people in it.

[waterhog]

we should arrange a tea party and all have a cup of tea to world peace and invite all - sad this can not happen and this is why it is a fight we must win.

our freedom is not up for sale.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The violence is stepping up due to the airstrikes, there has to be some correlation. Peace talks are not 'blowing smoke'

But you cannot stop an elephant with a peashooter, these creatures only understand violence it's what they are, it's what they do, it's all they understand. Peace talks....excuse me... Peace talks, more like surrender talks

So in Mr Corben's strange world we make peace with ISIS let them form a state or caliphate and then recognise them internationally.

Next we give their struggling state as much money as they need in loans and aid and then they can go onto the international arms markets and buy even more powerful weapons of destruction, or on the black market maybe some nerve gas for example either way lots of nasty weapons with which to turn back onto the west.

Bloody hell...!!!

If it walks like a cockroach , talks like a cockroach then it probably is a cockroach , hard to eradicate but VERY , VERY necessary.

[Kizzy]

Yes well for all your expressive language when lines of communication were open there was the potential to find a peaceful solution.
As the bombings have begun and continue it's hard to say where it will end.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes well for all your expressive language when lines of communication were open there was the potential to find a peaceful solution.
As the bombings have begun and continue it's hard to say where it will end.

How can you possibly find a peaceful solution with people who's aim is to either convert you to a war mongering religion or kill you?
We have nothing they want.They want to turn the world into an Islamic caliphate.
What can you possibly say to them?Peace is the last thing on their mind.

We can either lay down and play dead while they kill us or we can fight back in the only language they understand and do it better than them.

[Kizzy]

That may be an emerging realisation, is talking not the first line of defence, why lambaste those who in the past attempted to forge a peaceful solution?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The violence is stepping up due to the airstrikes, there has to be some correlation. Peace talks are not 'blowing smoke'

Mohammed cannot attend any peace talks at the moment, he's busy in some shaded secluded corner of a Western City:

"I tell you Ahmed, we have a duty to slaughter these infidels. Allah decrees it"

"I know this brother.... But I am afraid... I am afraid that if we slaughter one of theirs, they will retaliate."

"And if they do, and kill one of ours, we will slaughter twenty... A hundred of theirs."

"But where will it end my brother? If we bomb their cities, their innocents...Will not they then bomb our lands? What of my own family? My mother and Father? I fear for them"

"You are weak Ahmed. It is dangerous to be weak. Weakness is a Western disease. It infects only pigs. You are a soldier of Allah my brother and must be strong. We Soldiers of Allah must be strong in our bodies, our hearts and our minds. We must have faith in almighty Allah. You should be ashamed."

"I am sorry for my weakness Mohammed. May almighty Allah forgive me... And you my brother. May you forgive me."

"That is alright Ahmed, you are but 13 years old. You can be forgiven..... Now, strap on your bomb belt and let us not waste one moment more. There is a crowded cafe around the corner where glory awaits you.... Hurry my brother."

[Livia]

Because trying to negotiate with groups who do not negotiate is a waste of time.

[Kizzy]

Was Corbyn not attacked for associating with terrorist groups, is that not negotiating?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That may be an emerging realisation, is talking not the first line of defence, why lambaste those who in the past attempted to forge a peaceful solution?

Because by talking to these 'people' you are legitimising their actions as a valid means to an end.
You send the message that terrorism pays.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Was Corbyn not attacked for associating with terrorist groups, is that not negotiating?

What was it that he negotiated, exactly?

Nothing.

They use his support for publicity. British politician backs their cause... Negotiating with groups who are willing to negotiate is a good thing. Hamas - and others Corbyn has associated himself with - do not negotiate and want nothing from us. Pointless... and dangerous.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Because by talking to these 'people' you are legitimising their actions as a valid means to an end.
You send the message that terrorism pays.

Get out of my head, Monkey.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Was Corbyn not attacked for associating with terrorist groups, is that not negotiating?

Yes but its not liked

[Northern Monkey]

This is also the reason why nothing can be done between Israel and Palestine whilst Hezbollah have any influence in Palestine.You can't negotiate with terrorists.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Because by talking to these 'people' you are legitimising their actions as a valid means to an end.
You send the message that terrorism pays.

Apart from talking how do you resolve issues.... blow each others brains out?

[Denver]

My views on this won't be shared but I think the death penalty should be brought back for anyone found guilty of being a terrorist.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Apart from talking how do you resolve issues.... blow each others brains out?

Surely that's a question for the terrorists and not for whose who would be willing to negotiate if there was any point.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Was Corbyn not attacked for associating with terrorist groups, is that not negotiating?

Yeah - you're right. Lord Boothby 'associated' with Ronny Kray because he was trying to negotiate him out of a life of crime. And there was me thinking it was because he admired him and had an affinity with him because he was secretly homosexual too and could provide him with rent boys.

Whatever was I thinking?

[Northern Monkey]

"Apart from talking how do you resolve issues.... blow each others brains out?"

What else could possibly be done against ISIS?

Even if we did/could talk to them,What exactly do you think we would have to agree to in order to please them?
A European Islamic caliphate dictated by ISIS commanders?
ISIS flags over the houses of parliament?
All women must be veiled in public and subservient to their male leaders?
All homosexuals stoned to death at Wembley stadium?
Shariah law accross the west?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yeah - you're right. Lord Boothby 'associated' with Ronny Kray because he was trying to negotiate him out of a life of crime. And there was me thinking it was because he admired him and had an affinity with him because he was secretly homosexual too and could provide him with rent boys.

Whatever was I thinking?

I don't know what you're thinking, it has nothing to do with my point clearly.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Apart from talking how do you resolve issues.... blow each others brains out?

This thread is descending into a Monty Python script.

Only PROBLEMS can be resolved by talking.

These terrorists have only one problem - How to rid the world of US -- in other words; anyone who does not believe what they believe.

How do you resolve that?

Sit down with them talk, then walk away to a respectable distance and behead yourself or blow yourself up?

I see posters coming soon from the deluded bleeding hearts:

"Support your favourite terrorists - give yourself a good old talking to then chop your own head off. Show them we care."

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't know what you're thinking, it has nothing to do with my point clearly.

It has EVERYTHING to do with your point actually.

Boothby - a woeful excuse for a politician - used his political position to associate with the type of people he REALLY admired, people who were like the REAL him.

Corbyn - a woeful excuse for a politician - used his political position to associate with the type of people he REALLY admired, people who were like the REAL him. Anti-Democratic, Anti-Semitic, Anti-Western Terrorists.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

"Apart from talking how do you resolve issues.... blow each others brains out?"

What else could possibly be done against ISIS?

Even if we did/could talk to them,What exactly do you think we would have to agree to in order to please them?
A European Islamic caliphate dictated by ISIS commanders?
ISIS flags over the houses of parliament?
All women must be veiled in public and subservient to their male leaders?
All homosexuals stoned to death at Wembley stadium?
Shariah law accross the west?

Are you asking me a question or just involving me in your hypothetical?
There are two separate issues here, on one hand diplomats like Corbyn are criticised for attempting to forge some dialogue with certain groups, and on the other the rise of ISIS.
The two are totally independent of one another.