[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dollface

Understanding them and basically saying that they have a reason for their actions is (imo) making excuses for them.. There's no "reason" for killing innocent people that have nothing to do with what's going on in the middle east.

Of course there is NO reason for killing innocent people and there is NO excuse either but why do YOU think they are doing this? This isn't one mad man going on a killing spree, if it were, we would just put this down to insanity. These are groups of people that meet up, plan and then carry out those plans. What reason could these people possibly have? Perhaps you don't think it matters but if we are ever going to find a solution to stopping these killing sprees, the reasons behind why they happen matter very much.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Of course there is NO reason for killing innocent people and there is NO excuse either but why do YOU think they are doing this? This isn't one mad man going on a killing spree, if it were, we would just put this down to insanity. These are groups of people that meet up, plan and then carry out those plans. What reason could these people possibly have? Perhaps you don't think it matters but if we are ever going to find a solution to stopping these killing sprees, the reasons behind why they happen matter very much.

I think they're just evil people wanting to cause death. They don't just target the west, they murder people in their own countries too. Surely, if their reasons were "well their soldiers killed some of us so we're going to kill some of them" they would target a government building or something, not a concert full of innocent teenagers.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I think they're just evil people wanting to cause death. They don't just target the west, they murder people in their own countries too. Surely, if their reasons were "well their soldiers killed some of us so we're going to kill some of them" they would target a government building or something, not a concert full of innocent teenagers.

Yes, they are evil people and no, they don't just target the west. On the 12th of November, the day before the French attacks, two suicide bombers killed 43 people and wounded 239 more in the Lebanese capital in an ISIS-propagated murder. It got little news coverage because it was Muslims killing Muslims.

Truth is, the fundamental principles of Islam have been hijacked by extremists but if we try to defeat these radicalised monsters with militarily action we don't defeat the ideas intellectually, then the ideas will re-emerge which will only bring more mayhem to the West.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes, they are evil people and no, they don't just target the west. On the 12th of November, the day before the French attacks, two suicide bombers killed 43 people and wounded 239 more in the Lebanese capital in an ISIS-propagated murder. It got little news coverage because it was Muslims killing Muslims.

Truth is, the fundamental principles of Islam have been hijacked by extremists but if we try to defeat these radicalised monsters with militarily action we don't defeat the ideas intellectually, then the ideas will re-emerge which will only bring more mayhem to the West.

but the do gooders on the left have banned us having a full and frank debate about it....anyone who actually issues a genuine opinion is shouted down as a racist. the left have basically destroyed our freedom of speech , which is yet another horrific legacy of war monger blairs evil government

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

but the do gooders on the left have banned us having a full and frank debate about it....anyone who actually issues a genuine opinion is shouted down as a racist. the left have basically destroyed our freedom of speech , which is yet another horrific legacy of war monger blairs evil government

You mean on here?