[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Middle ground with ISIS?

Yes. Removing their ability to finance and arm their organisation, for example.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Yes. Removing their ability to finance and arm their organisation, for example.

Isn't that what the UK forces are doing right now?

[Johnnyuk123]

On the Jeremy Corbyn mentality. What war has he ever voted for?

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I agree 100% but my question is what can we do here to get ISIS to sit at a table and sort this matter out once and for all?

You can't, because sitting round a table and discussing reasonable solutions for peace is what normal, human beings do. The monsters that do what isis does are barely human and very far from normal.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

You can't, because sitting round a table and discussing reasonable solutions for peace is what normal, human beings do. The monsters that do what isis does are barely human and very far from normal.

[Jake.]

I don't have the answer. It's not my job to provide the answer. But killing innocent people and children isn't the answer.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Isn't that what the UK forces are doing right now?

But there are other ways to do it, like imposing trade restrictions on Turkey and other Arab countries so that IS can't make money from selling oil, and they cannot buy arms and ammunition from other countries.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Noel Raymonds

I don't have the answer. It's not my job to provide the answer. But killing innocent people and children isn't the answer.

And killing innocent people is NOT what the air strikes are about. They are targeting ISIS bases. No one wants syrina civilian people targeted in all of this.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I still fail to see anyone here or on any other thread suggesting that we try and negotiate with ISIS.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

And killing innocent people is NOT what the air strikes are about. They are targeting ISIS bases. No one wants syrina civilian people targeted in all of this.

But what it is and isn't about is irrelevant when innocent people are dying because of it.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

But there are other ways to do it, like imposing trade restrictions on Turkey and other Arab countries so that IS can't make money from selling oil, and they cannot buy arms and ammunition from other countries.

And whilst we in a democratic world do we go about this whilst ISIS blow folk up in California just recently along with others. The only way ISIS see it is by blowing themselves up. No debate, no chat just pull the trigger. And we deal with this mentality by doing what, imposing trade restrictions. How many more lives will be lost before those restrictions actually kick in?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

I still fail to see anyone here or on any other thread suggesting that we try and negotiate with ISIS.

No one is,you are right, and all opinions are valid but no one really has the answer to this and I don't think the decision made on Wednesday is the answer, it may be a part of an answer with other things in place but since they are not in place then success is very unlikely.
Now we are being told by our govt, this s going be a long process so a lot of bombing and a lot of innocents to be killed too as a result of that bombing, near for certain is that too.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No one is,you are right, and all opinions are valid but no one really has the answer to this and I don't think the decision made on Wednesday is the answer, it may be a part of an answer with other things in place but since they are not in place then success is very unlikely.
Now we are being told by our govt, this s going be a long process so a lot of bombing and a lot of innocents to be killed too as a result of that bombing, near for certain is that too.

I admit that I don't know all the answers or the solution to this vastly complex problem. If I did, I would be a much richer and more powerful man

[Johnnyuk123]

I repeat my original post...

For all those against war on ISIS what would you suggest that we should do instead of war against ISIS that would make an impact on ISIS for them to want to sit around a table and resolve this matter in a humane way?

Please keep to my original post and answer to that.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Noel Raymonds

I don't have the answer. It's not my job to provide the answer. But killing innocent people and children isn't the answer.

All countires bombing are targeting ISIS bases and NOT Syrian people.

[Tom4784]

As it stands, Bombing Syria is as effective as doing nothing, in fact it's worse since we waste resources to bomb a country. At this point we can't do anything that isn't already being done more effectively by superpowers with more means than us.

We aren't doing anything useful apart from fluffing our own egos by bombing Syria. We aren't needed yet. When something useful can be done and we can be of use then go for it but at the moment it's pointless.

[AnnieK]

Right, I'm going to put a slightly more human side to this. I'm sat here, watching my 5 year old son sleep peacefully tonight. He has no concept of a bad life other than stories of bad men,violence or God forbid Nything worse. I want to keep his innocence of the life his great grandparents and relatives fought, and in some circumstances died for him to have.

I worry constantly about the world i have brought him into but if our government can do anything to bring some stability from this ongoing crisis by bombings, then fair ****ing play. I will apologise till the cows come home if civilians get hurt, and I will feel it, but, and I dare anyone on this thread or forum to tell me different BUT if it came to us bombing them or them bombing us and killing our nearest and dearest which will happen, and according to reports has been planned before our intervention......what would you prefer????????

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Noel Raymonds

But what it is and isn't about is irrelevant when innocent people are dying because of it.

What it's about is completely relevent though because innocent people might die. Noone wants innocent people to die for no reason, but ordinary Syrians are already suffering immensely at the hands of ISIS and if we can help to stop them and choose not to, then it's only going to get worse for them.

I understand what Dezzy and a lot of other people are saying about how they believe there to be no need for us yet and we should wait for a more appropriate time, but when is that? What do ISIS need to do for us to deem it an appropriate time? And why should we back out because other superpowers are involved when we can help them? Surely it will just make the attack against ISIS stronger and less likely to drag on?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Right, I'm going to put a slightly more human side to this. I'm sat here, watching my 5 year old son sleep peacefully tonight. He has no concept of a bad life other than stories of bad men,violence or God forbid Nything worse. I want to keep his innocence of the life his great grandparents and relatives fought, and in some circumstances died for him to have.

I worry constantly about the world i have brought him into but if our government can do anything to bring some stability from this ongoing crisis by bombings, then fair ****ing play. I will apologise till the cows come home if civilians get hurt, and I will feel it, but, and I dare anyone on this thread or forum to tell me different BUT if it came to us bombing them or them bombing us and killing our nearest and dearest which will happen, and according to reports has been planned before our intervention......what would you prefer????????

Reason and honesty Annie. A simply great post.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Sleighmie

What it's about is completely relevent though because innocent people might die. Noone wants innocent people to die for no reason, but ordinary Syrians are already suffering immensely at the hands of ISIS and if we can help to stop them and choose not to, then it's only going to get worse for them.

I understand what Dezzy and a lot of other people are saying about how they believe there to be no need for us yet and we should wait for a more appropriate time, but when is that? What do ISIS need to do for us to deem it an appropriate time? And why should we back out because other superpowers are involved when we can help them? Surely it will just make the attack against ISIS stronger and less likely to drag on?

Your posts are ALWAYS well written, and more importantly, very valid and balanced Jamie.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Right, I'm going to put a slightly more human side to this. I'm sat here, watching my 5 year old son sleep peacefully tonight. He has no concept of a bad life other than stories of bad men,violence or God forbid Nything worse. I want to keep his innocence of the life his great grandparents and relatives fought, and in some circumstances died for him to have.

I worry constantly about the world i have brought him into but if our government can do anything to bring some stability from this ongoing crisis by bombings, then fair ****ing play. I will apologise till the cows come home if civilians get hurt, and I will feel it, but, and I dare anyone on this thread or forum to tell me different BUT if it came to us bombing them or them bombing us and killing our nearest and dearest which will happen, and according to reports has been planned before our intervention......what would you prefer????????

[Kazanne]

Well I do know as soon as something happens here these airstrikes will get blamed in the "See I told you" mould, NO we will get attacked anyway it was a given,the UK has thwarted many plots already,I am so pleased we have good security forces protecting us,IF Isis get their way,no one will be protecting us we will be target practice, and for those saying war accomplishes nothing,I don't think our old soldiers would agree with you there,we are using at least one thing it achieved free speech, but if we are not careful Isis will take that away too !!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Right, I'm going to put a slightly more human side to this. I'm sat here, watching my 5 year old son sleep peacefully tonight. He has no concept of a bad life other than stories of bad men,violence or God forbid Nything worse. I want to keep his innocence of the life his great grandparents and relatives fought, and in some circumstances died for him to have.

I worry constantly about the world i have brought him into but if our government can do anything to bring some stability from this ongoing crisis by bombings, then fair ****ing play. I will apologise till the cows come home if civilians get hurt, and I will feel it, but, and I dare anyone on this thread or forum to tell me different BUT if it came to us bombing them or them bombing us and killing our nearest and dearest which will happen, and according to reports has been planned before our intervention......what would you prefer????????

Great post Annie, I would like just one person against bombing to explain exactly what the UK should be doing instead, and I don't hold with the argument that we are now more susceptible to attack not when 30 Brits never returned from their holiday in Tunisia just mere months ago

[Northern Monkey]

The way i see it is.
If you find a cancerous lump in your body.Do you just accept it and let it grow until it takes over?
or
do you fight it the best that you can?
This state that IS are creating is like tumour on the map and we can't just keep letting it grow until it takes over the middle east and even further.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Tinselbells

Well I do know as soon as something happens here these airstrikes will get blamed in the "See I told you" mould, NO we will get attacked anyway it was a given,the UK has thwarted many plots already,I am so pleased we have good security forces protecting us,IF Isis get their way,no one will be protecting us we will be target practice, and for those saying war accomplishes nothing,I don't think our old soldiers would agree with you there,we are using at least one thing it achieved free speech, but if we are not careful Isis will take that away too !!

Excellent post Kaz. You are so correct.

ISIS have long had plans to commit Paris-style arocities in the UK, and IT IS only becuse of our Intelligence Services that those plans have repeatedly been foiled.

God Forbid, but if ISIS do now manage to breach our security, and actually execute one of their plans - almost certainly by activating some of the dozens if not hundreds of Jihadist 'sleepers' already ensconced here - then the cries from some of the anti-bombing anti-war anti-do anything brigade that "It is revenge", "It wouldn't have happened if we hadn't bombed Syria" etc etc will be unbearable AND wrong.