[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

She sat there & said Jez & I are leaving the house !
What more proof do you need ?.
Another friend would have tried to stop him.
Instead she was happy for him to leave with her.
You can only use real facts for one hour highlights.
The other 23 hours are mostly speculation without the live feed.

How do you know she didn't try and stop him....and how do you know she was happy about it ? You really, really don't.
There could have hours of deep discussion between the two of them before the conclusion that we were privy to was shown.
You are making assumptions

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by hot2go

They were boring....they were all sat in the kitchen festering away, like mysery itself ....they felt guilty because they had swerved being able to be nominated and they knew that was totally wrong and that the others would resent how unfair it was. When actually, Steph just laughed it off and started dancing around to annoy them...I would have done the same thing .

And you are wrong about Steph saying "she has given all the entertainment" , that is Gemmas line....Steph would never be that arrogant, Steph said " she's given more entertainment then big brother could have hoped for " and she is absolutely correct, she has.

Play it back....she said it.
She hasn't given entertainment she's given us a bore fest. BB seems to love this crap and everything revolves around it...EVERYTHING. If we didn't have the showmances there would have been other issues stirred up but unfortunately everything has had to revolve around them two..tasks etc etc.
Steph is one selfish person...everything is about her. Not once has she shown concern or thought for anyone else...all she does is sit and think about herself...what SHE needs...how SHE looks...selfish needy brat.

[bots]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Play it back....she said it.
She hasn't given entertainment she's given us a bore fest. BB seems to love this crap and everything revolves around it...EVERYTHING. If we didn't have the showmances there would have been other issues stirred up but unfortunately everything has had to revolve around them two..tasks etc etc.
Steph is one selfish person...everything is about her. Not once has she shown concern or thought for anyone else...all she does is sit and think about herself...what SHE needs...how SHE looks...selfish needy brat.

That applies equally to the whole lot of them. I think this is probably the first BB where there hasn't been any genuine warmth between any of the housemates (showmances excepted) I've never seen a more thoroughly unlikeable bunch.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Would you be told what to do by others? I damn well wouldn't

No I wouldn't but Steph has craved attention from the minute she walked in the house.
SHE has gone crying to the other housemates when she started to realise what she was doing wasn't good... It's because she was wracked with guilt they offered her advice...and then threw herself back into bed with Jeremy....then when the next rush of guilt came she was in tears...even Jeremy said he was sick of the tears and when everyone gave her wise words of advice and comforted her she promptly threw it back in there faces.
Everyone has tried to help her in her 'trauma' and she's never shown any appreciation.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

That applies equally to the whole lot of them. I think this is probably the first BB where there hasn't been any genuine warmth between any of the housemates (showmances excepted) I've never seen a more thoroughly unlikeable bunch.

I disagree....people have supported each other from time to time...and you hear them say thanks for that..or I appreciate that.
All Steph has ever done is say "yeah yeah your right"....then go back to Jeremy.

[Patricia4]

I don't feel sorry for Steph she brings it all on herself.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No I wouldn't but Steph has craved attention from the minute she walked in the house.
SHE has gone crying to the other housemates when she started to realise what she was doing wasn't good... It's because she was wracked with guilt they offered her advice...and then threw herself back into bed with Jeremy....then when the next rush of guilt came she was in tears...even Jeremy said he was sick of the tears and when everyone gave her wise words of advice and comforted her she promptly threw it back in there faces.
Everyone has tried to help her in her 'trauma' and she's never shown any appreciation.

They've ALL craved attention from the minute they walked in the house,not just Steph

[Visage]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I disagree....people have supported each other from time to time...and you hear them say thanks for that..or I appreciate that.
All Steph has ever done is say "yeah yeah your right"....then go back to Jeremy.

That sounds like Darren & John too, mainly coming from John's nomination of Darren.

Tiffany was pretty close too, telling Gillian, "yeah, yeah, you're right" about giving up the cigarettes, but soon went back to the habit.

How many housemates have said something similar to BB ("Yeah, yeah you're right, I will continue") when they want to leave the show, only to come back a few days later and want to leave again.




It's the house that's toxic

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Really I am not trying to be unfriendly but I am really not gonna justify my views on that old cows bad behaviour again....if you want to know the tsunami of proof that's flooded this forum about Gemma Collins appalling personality them I'm afraid you're gonna have to trawl through all the old posts.....it's all there....it's all true....and it's shocking

I was asking you specifically how Gemma instigated each and every attack on Stephanie - which is what you accused her of. You can't expect to make a sweeping statement like that without any facts to back it up and not expect to be challenged on it.
So from your answer it seems you have no evidence at all or you would at least have answered this question - how did she instigate the attack on her last night? That can't be too hard.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Comparing Stephs defensive behaviour with Danielas destructive behaviour at the same age makes no sense. Steph was just fighting back. Daniela was destructive on a massive scale and addicted to cocaine. Steph was just reacting to being nominated and doing so by laughing about it and being funny. It was the others who turned it sour not Steph. Gemma started saying that Steph was out of control and saying she was too scared to be around her. Oh Really ? Since when ? ! That's when it kicked off....the people in the kitchen went in on Steph not the other way round.
Around the same time Dani started challenging Steph in front of everyone instead of taking to her to one side. Big mistake. Surely Dani knows better than to do that. Surely she knows from her own experience not to do that. And def not to do that in front of Gemma because Steph would feel ganged up on again and Gemma would love it. And she did love it, she had a ring side seat again and Dani was played like a fiddle again.
Stephs reaction was to laugh in the face of the noms and thumb her nose at BB, it was funny .... she didn't start crying or isolate herself from everyone like others have, she was having a laugh and winding the others up....it was the people in the kitchen who were the miserable ones not Steph....they created the situation that followed not Steph.

I totally agree. It was those sour pusses (Gemma and Daniella) that were bringing the whole thing down. Tiff's reaction was way OTT and Steph was totally having fun with it, laughing and kind of mocking Tiffany's reaction. The two witches of the house couldn't stand Steph's laughter and the fact that she wasn't 'scared' of Tiffany like they were...so the decided to take her down a peg with that pathetic remark about her career. I really can't stand Gemma and Daniella. They do remind me of the panto ugly stepsisters... jealous of the attention Steph gets from Jeremy and her laughing and having fun with Tiffany.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Stormy

I totally agree. It was those sour pusses (Gemma and Daniella) that were bringing the whole thing down. Tiff's reaction was way OTT and Steph was totally having fun with it, laughing and kind of mocking Tiffany's reaction. The two witches of the house couldn't stand Steph's laughter and the fact that she wasn't 'scared' of Tiffany like they were...so the decided to take her down a peg with that pathetic remark about her career. I really can't stand Gemma and Daniella. They do remind me of the panto ugly stepsisters... jealous of the attention Steph gets from Jeremy and her laughing and having fun with Tiffany.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Chuff, try and steer away from John if you can, cause this thread is for Steph and people will divert the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another house mate ....it's the way they play ....this thread will very quickly no longer be about Streph but instead will be a negative thread about John....they're clever....hope you don't mind me asking

The same happens when you accuse a HM of being involved when they weren't - in this case Gemma. It diverts the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another HM who you are bashing for little reason - in this case Gemma. If that's the way you want to play then the attention will be diverted from your fave, Steph, onto the person you hate, Gemma, who will be getting positive support. That's not very clever.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

I was asking you specifically how Gemma instigated each and every attack on Stephanie - which is what you accused her of. You can't expect to make a sweeping statement like that without any facts to back it up and not expect to be challenged on it.
So from your answer it seems you have no evidence at all or you would at least have answered this question - how did she instigate the attack on her last night? That can't be too hard.

You must understand, that every time I explain my views on that old bag I am constantly told I have an obsession with her.....last night Gemma said she didn't want to go to bed because of the bad energy being created by the others...Steph wasn't creating a bad energy, she was having fun with it and making jokes about it and laughing about it....Gemma implied that she was scared to be around Steph.....since when ?!! Since when has she been scared of any of em ? And why should she be scared of Steph ? That's just planting seeds AGAIN in other people's minds to paint Steph in a bad way and diminish her personality....those are facts....what is not a provable fact and one we for sure won't agree on is, I believe without doubt, that when Gemma said to Dani " Dont speak to Steph when she comes in because she will kick off ".... What Gemma was really doing was putting that image out ther for people to imagine and act on...I believe, Gemma is the ring master of manipulation and manages to embroil everyone except Steph into her twisted games.....she's playing Dani like a fool...
So there is my reply you asked for....I know it's not any use to you and I know and respect your loyalty to Gemma....I like loyalty when it comes from rational and friendly people like yourself and I know you don't take my views personally...if Gemma wins next week I will actually be happy for you ...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

You must understand, that every time I explain my views on that old bag I am constantly told I have an obsession with her.....last night Gemma said she didn't want to go to bed because of the bad energy being created by the others...Steph wasn't creating a bad energy, she was having fun with it and making jokes about it and laughing about it....Gemma implied that she was scared to be around Steph.....since when ?!! Since when has she been scared of any of em ? And why should she be scared of Steph ? That's just planting seeds AGAIN in other people's minds to paint Steph in a bad way and diminish her personality....those are facts....what is not a provable fact and one we for sure won't agree on is, I believe without doubt, that when Gemma said to Dani " Dont speak to Steph when she comes in because she will kick off ".... What Gemma was really doing was putting that image out ther for people to imagine and act on...I believe, Gemma is the ring master of manipulation and manages to embroil everyone except Steph into her twisted games.....she's playing Dani like a fool...
So there is my reply you asked for....I know it's not any use to you and I know and respect your loyalty to Gemma....I like loyalty when it comes from rational and friendly people like yourself and I know you don't take my views personally...if Gemma wins next week I will actually be happy for you ...

[rocket]

Originally Posted by Stormy

I totally agree. It was those sour pusses (Gemma and Daniella) that were bringing the whole thing down. Tiff's reaction was way OTT and Steph was totally having fun with it, laughing and kind of mocking Tiffany's reaction. The two witches of the house couldn't stand Steph's laughter and the fact that she wasn't 'scared' of Tiffany like they were...so the decided to take her down a peg with that pathetic remark about her career. I really can't stand Gemma and Daniella. They do remind me of the panto ugly stepsisters... jealous of the attention Steph gets from Jeremy and her laughing and having fun with Tiffany.

Excellent post...but add John to the two witches..he is vile and vindictive too..

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

You must understand, that every time I explain my views on that old bag I am constantly told I have an obsession with her.....last night Gemma said she didn't want to go to bed because of the bad energy being created by the others...Steph wasn't creating a bad energy, she was having fun with it and making jokes about it and laughing about it....Gemma implied that she was scared to be around Steph.....since when ?!! Since when has she been scared of any of em ? And why should she be scared of Steph ? That's just planting seeds AGAIN in other people's minds to paint Steph in a bad way and diminish her personality....those are facts....what is not a provable fact and one we for sure won't agree on is, I believe without doubt, that when Gemma said to Dani " Dont speak to Steph when she comes in because she will kick off ".... What Gemma was really doing was putting that image out ther for people to imagine and act on...I believe, Gemma is the ring master of manipulation and manages to embroil everyone except Steph into her twisted games.....she's playing Dani like a fool...
So there is my reply you asked for....I know it's not any use to you and I know and respect your loyalty to Gemma....I like loyalty when it comes from rational and friendly people like yourself and I know you don't take my views personally...if Gemma wins next week I will actually be happy for you ...

But those are not the FACTS. Steph instigated it when Dani was called to the diary room to nom by saying "It will probably be me and Jez even though we're the best crack". When Steph and Tiff were in the bedroom carrying on John walks into the kitchen shaking his head and goes up to Gemma and Dani.....

JOHN: "It's just horrendous in there right now"
JOHN: "It's ridiculous saying they're the most entertaining"
JOHN:"Why am I up for nomination".
GEMMA: "I'm stressed right now".
DANI: Is this Tiff?
JOHN: No, Stephanie.

Sounds of Tiff shouting in the bedroom.
Gemma: I don't want to walk into that bedroom, and that's not me.

Later Tiff is yelling loudly in the garden:
Gemma: Please if she walks in here don't say anything. (She was referring to Tiff, Steph was already entering the room when Gemma says this.)

Then Steph says something and that is when Dani said about her not working again. Gemma hasn't said a word and didn't say a word during the argument.

When Steph is going mental trying to get out:
Gemma: Who's that smashing up....(Inaudible) (She wouldn't have known if it was Tiff or Steph')
Dani: It's her.
John: This is upsetting!

Later: The camera shows Tiff grumbling and striding about the garden and the camera cuts to -
Gemma: I'm not going to speak to her tomorrow....I don't want to sleep in there.

Those are the FACTS of the scenes Gemma was involved in. Anyone can watch them as evidence. Gemma never said don't speak to Steph because 'it will kick off'. You put those words into her mouth. Gemma didn't say or imply she was scared of Steph - she was talking about Tiff - and much as I love Tiff, she WAS yelling and screeching. Gemma did NOTHING wrong to Steph.
Dani said plenty, and John said stuff, Gemma did not.
So it's unfair and wrong to surmise anything. Those are the FACTS.

I don't like posting anything unless I have the facts straight, so it bothers me when things are misinterpreted to fit in with what people want to believe.
So watch out for big bad Jet the fact checker.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

But those are not the FACTS. Steph instigated it when Dani was called to the diary room to nom by saying "It will probably be me and Jez even though we're the best crack". When Steph and Tiff were in the bedroom carrying on John walks into the kitchen shaking his head and goes up to Gemma and Dani.....

JOHN: "It's just horrendous in there right now"
JOHN: "It's ridiculous saying they're the most entertaining"
JOHN:"Why am I up for nomination".
GEMMA: "I'm stressed right now".
DANI: Is this Tiff?
JOHN: No, Stephanie.

Sounds of Tiff shouting in the bedroom.
Gemma: I don't want to walk into that bedroom, and that's not me.

Later Tiff is yelling loudly in the garden:
Gemma: Please if she walks in here don't say anything. (She was referring to Tiff, Steph was already entering the room when Gemma says this.)

Then Steph says something and that is when Dani said about her not working again. Gemma hasn't said a word and didn't say a word during the argument.

When Steph is going mental trying to get out:
Gemma: Who's that smashing up....(Inaudible) (She wouldn't have known if it was Tiff or Steph')
Dani: It's her.
John: This is upsetting!

Later: The camera shows Tiff grumbling and striding about the garden and the camera cuts to -
Gemma: I'm not going to speak to her tomorrow....I don't want to sleep in there.

Those are the FACTS of the scenes Gemma was involved in. Anyone can watch them as evidence. Gemma never said don't speak to Steph because 'it will kick off'. You put those words into her mouth. Gemma didn't say or imply she was scared of Steph - she was talking about Tiff - and much as I love Tiff, she WAS yelling and screeching. Gemma did NOTHING wrong to Steph.
Dani said plenty, and John said stuff, Gemma did not.
So it's unfair and wrong to surmise anything. Those are the FACTS.

I don't like posting anything unless I have the facts straight, so it bothers me when things are misinterpreted to fit in with what they want to believe.
So watch out for big bad Jet the fact checker.

That's very impressive and an accurate narration of what was said....thanks for taking the time to do that....I understand exactly how the dialogue in print looks like Gemma is innocent and you have every reasonable right to accept it on face value, especially as a fan....but myself I think it's very much open to interpretation and I think what Gemma says, or appears to say, and what Gemma actually means are two very different things....I don't agree that just because the edit shows Tiffany shouting then cuts to Gemma saying negative things about someone, that that someone was def Tiffany ...not at all....and I don't think for one minute that Gemma only had a problem with Tiffany and didn't relish the drama that was being directed at Steph by Dani.....I think we will get a clearer picture tonight when we see them reflect on it all....maybe Gemma will confirm the way it looks to you and say she only felt threatened by Tiffany.....or maybe she will confirm the way it looks to me and tell everyone that Steph was scary and that she was responsible for the bad energy in the house last night.....be kinda fun to see tonight's episode....you and me going head to head in a clean but friendly fight

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by jet

Steph is behaving very erratically and unpredictably which is why the other HM's are uneasy. This is a 23 year old woman. If she's not jumping around like an 8 yr old (which is embarrassing to watch) she is screeching and raving and crying or in bed with Jeremy, cheating on her boyfriend. She went into the BB house to try to repair her reputation after her sacking from Hollyoaks and all we are seeing is the continuation of her downward spiral. The girl isn't well, and I don't find her demise entertaining at all.
That's the strain they all have to live with, and it is clearly getting to them all. They have tried talking calmly to her, but she never listens. Dani lost it with her, but she's allowed to make mistakes too. You can make them at any age, at any time. Having experience doesn't make anyone perfect.

Perfectly said

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

That's very impressive and an accurate narration of what was said....thanks for taking the time to do that....I understand exactly how the dialogue in print looks like Gemma is innocent and you have every reasonable right to accept it on face value, especially as a fan....but myself I think it's very much open to interpretation and I think what Gemma says, or appears to say, and what Gemma actually means are two very different things....I don't agree that just because the edit shows Tiffany shouting then cuts to Gemma saying negative things about someone, that that someone was def Tiffany ...not at all....and I don't think for one minute that Gemma only had a problem with Tiffany and didn't relish the drama that was being directed at Steph by Dani.....I think we will get a clearer picture tonight when we see them reflect on it all....maybe Gemma will confirm the way it looks to you and say she only felt threatened by Tiffany.....or maybe she will confirm the way it looks to me and tell everyone that Steph was scary and that she was responsible for the bad energy in the house last night.....be kinda fun to see tonight's episode....you and me going head to head in a clean but friendly fight

Sorry, you've lost me. I can't have any further discussion with you if you insist on disregarding actual proof and persist in attributing sinister meanings and motives to anything Gemma does or says without any words or footage to prove it.
Reverse things here. How would you like it if I was doing the same with Steph? Attributing words and actions to her that she didn't say or do? Then you take the time to give me evidence of her innocence and I persist that what she says and means are two different things and she only looks innocent etc? Wouldn't that annoy the hell out of you?

I know Gemma isn't perfect by any means, but she is not the conniving, two faced monster she is being made out to be. When she confronted Steph about having a boyfriend to her face, she was blasted. She can't win, cos then she is accused of saying things behind her back, but I rarely see that. Dani and John do that far more. John is sneakier and more two faced than Gemma by far, yet you don't blast him. You see what you want to see, imo.
When we can only go by what we see on the screen, that is what we have to take as FACTS. Anything beyond that is only an opinion, but you persist in stating your opinions as FACTS, with no EVIDENCE, and that is what bothers me and why I can't discuss Gemma with you any more. It's too frustrating.

I'm sure I'll debate other stuff with you though. Peace and out.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Most of these threads aren't assumptions at all....most people use real facts to support what they say ....you have no facts to support what you said about Steph and Jeremy leaving the house ...

But...but...facts don't matter, right? Steph has shown herself to be selfish and self - centred (so many posts on this forum PROVE that) so just because she didn't say it doesn't mean anything. It's OBVIOUS that she selfishly wanted him to leave with her, the self centred little bitch.

See what I did there?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

But...but...facts don't matter, right? Steph has shown herself to be selfish and self - centred (so many posts on this forum PROVE that) so just because she didn't say it doesn't mean anything. It's OBVIOUS that she selfishly wanted him to leave with her, the self centred little bitch.

See what I did there?

Hey, it's all good....you don't have to post me if its gonna be so frustrating ....I'm not here to do that......I don't judge you for being a fan of Gemma....I can see how youre quote above uses information as a hook to interpret what is seen in a different way....I don't doubt how others see Steph...I certainly see how others disapprove of her and Jeremy...I see Steph as vulnerable and direct and light hearted...I don't see any malice there at all.. other people see a psycho who is scheming and mean....nothing I can do will change that.
Same with Gemma....you see a good person...I see a mean unkind manipulator....I see behaviour that I have seen many times in my life before from others just like her...there is nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion, nothing....I have changed my opinion on others in the house, I have seen over the weeks cracks in their armour that tells me they are fundamentally good people underneath....but nothing will change my opinion of Gemma...I'm sorry Jet....and each time BB pander to her demands, which again I can't prove but I know, they just make me and many many others like me dislike her even more.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Play it back....she said it
.

I have played it back and you are incorrect

Steph said exactly this - " Ive been up every single week, I've given you more entertainment than anything you could wish for "

That is Steph talking about her contribution to the house

Gemma said she's the ONLY ONE who's given entertainment...

That is Gemma saying she's the only one that matters....

BIG DIFFERENCE

Steff is just being truthful
Gemma is just being arrogant...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I have played it back and you are incorrect

Steph said exactly this - " Ive been up every single week, I've given you more entertainment than anything you could wish for "

That is Steph talking about her contribution to the house

Gemma said she's the ONLY ONE who's given entertainment...

That is Gemma saying she's the only one that matters....

BIG DIFFERENCE

Steff is just being truthful
Gemma is just being arrogant...

Before she said "I've been up every single week....blah blah blah she said the house was boring. Rewind a little more...

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Hey, it's all good....you don't have to post me if its gonna be so frustrating ....I'm not here to do that......I don't judge you for being a fan of Gemma....I can see how youre quote above uses information as a hook to interpret what is seen in a different way....I don't doubt how others see Steph...I certainly see how others disapprove of her and Jeremy...I see Steph as vulnerable and direct and light hearted...I don't see any malice there at all.. other people see a psycho who is scheming and mean....nothing I can do will change that.
Same with Gemma....you see a good person...I see a mean unkind manipulator....I see behaviour that I have seen many times in my life before from others just like her...there is nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion, nothing....I have changed my opinion on others in the house, I have seen over the weeks cracks in their armour that tells me they are fundamentally good people underneath....but nothing will change my opinion of Gemma...I'm sorry Jet....and each time BB pander to her demands, which again I can't prove but I know, they just make me and many many others like me dislike her even more.

I know you'll never change your opinion of Gemma. And I wouldn't expect you too. What bothered me was that you posted things about her that didn't happen, that were untrue.
If Gemma is at fault, and the footage and her words show her at fault, and you criticized her, I wouldn't have a problem at all. If she does something bad, then she's fair game for a bashing. I just don't like things being attributed to her (or any HM) that didn't actually happen.
I'm all about the finer details. lol
So anyway, happy posting and I wish you all the best for Steph tonight.