[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Fine blame me, as kazanne said.
'Just because you cant see something , doesn't mean it's not there.'
In I have been out for hours and hours and you're STILL chewing this over, and you say I'm pedantic? Sheeesh!
Would it sit better if I said 'in my opinion' it was a generalisation?

Chewing over it?

No sweetie. I was discussing it with Toy Soldier and other posters who have entered the thread since you left.

And since many of these posters have gone back and conceded they'd mis interpreted the discussion, it was only yourself coming in and taking the discussion off course (as always) the caused the misunderstanding.

You can continue to stubbornly believe you're right yet again kizzy, I'm passed caring.

I see you've quoted my other posts again to repeat your incorrect understanding of them. I've already corrected you, I won't bother again because you don't actually read/listen to anyone but yourself.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by wannashag

That's fine but don't force it on the rest of us anymore.

Do you think that's too much to ask?

Bobnot is forcing religion on you?

And FYI, when it comes to this forum it's always an atheist that begins the religious based topics. Maybe they could stop forcing it on everyone too?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Bobnot is forcing religion on you?

And FYI, when it comes to this forum it's always an atheist that begins the religious based topics. Maybe they could stop forcing it on everyone too?

when its out of ALL schools and our political system no one will care morsh


so will people please stop with the posts as if it is


jesus h christ if i read another


"well why do you care just ignore it its not doing any harm" etc etc etc

[billy123]

Originally Posted by wannashag

That's fine but don't force it on the rest of us anymore.

Do you think that's too much to ask?

wtf
Im not religious and im certainly not forcing it on anyone. I have my own thoughts and reasons for not being religious but im not really interested in ranting on about that either unlike some on here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

wtf
Im not religious and im certainly not forcing it on anyone. I have my own thoughts and reasons for not being religious but im not really interested in ranting on about that either unlike some on here.

No one is ranting apart from yourself. This is a discussion forum and if you dont want to discuss this topic then off you trot

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bobnot

wtf
Im not religious and im certainly not forcing it on anyone. I have my own thoughts and reasons for not being religious but im not really interested in ranting on about that either unlike some on here.

Show me where I called you religious.

I was speaking out generally to a post you made, not directly at you.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by wannashag

Show me where I called you religious.

I was speaking out generally to a post you made.

Show me where i was forcing religion down your throat. you quoted me and said "thats fine just dont force it on the rest of us anymore" where did i do that?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Show me where i was forcing religion down your throat.

I wasn't talking directly of you personally I was taking generally.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by wannashag

I wasn't talking directly of you personally I was taking generally.

OK shag.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No one is ranting apart from yourself. This is a discussion forum and if you dont want to discuss this topic then off you trot

Have to agree with you there LT. If religious members want to start religious threads then they are free to do so (if they are willing to be challenged). Likewise, if anyone doesn't want to be involved in one of these threads then they are free to simply NOT click the link or engage in the discussion, and find another thread topic that they are willing to discuss...

One might theorise, based on the reactions to anti-organised-religion threads, that the reason religious people don't start religious threads is in fact because they don't want to be challenged. Most find it very emotionally challenging (and therefore get angry), because most have many complex emotions wrapped up in / repressed by faith. In my opinion, of course.

[AnnieK]

I don't think it should be removed from schools but should be an option for people who want to study it. If you remove it completely it becomes a taboo subject and less likely that children will be able to come to informed choices on religion. In my opinion of course.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think it should be removed from schools but should be an option for people who want to study it. If you remove it completely it becomes a taboo subject and less likely that children will be able to come to informed choices on religion. In my opinion of course.

Hi Annie! I disagree with religion coming into my children's education. I want them to learn spelling, maths, science, geography, history etc etc and if I wanted them to be religious I'd send them to church.. I'm all for the learning about all religions and faiths and being encouraged to be accepting of them all, but I don't want my kid preached to

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Hi Annie! I disagree with religion coming into my children's education. I want them to learn spelling, maths, science, geography, history etc etc and if I wanted them to be religious I'd send them to church.. I'm all for the learning about all religions and faiths and being encouraged to be accepting of them all, but I don't want my kid preached to

Hey Lee. Lovely to see you I don't want them preached to either which is why I think it should be optional and balanced.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

when its out of ALL schools and our political system no one will care morsh


so will people please stop with the posts as if it is


jesus h christ if i read another


"well why do you care just ignore it its not doing any harm" etc etc etc

I haven't said any of that love.

Maybe take the same lesson as Kizzy and read a post in the context of the many posts that it follows to gauge a a better understanding?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Hey Lee. Lovely to see you I don't want them preached to either which is why I think it should be optional and balanced.

Yes I agree.. I remember after a fairly awful Easter service at my daughters school, having to explain to her that people could not in fact come back to life! She was 5 years old, had just lost her rabbit and her great grandma and the story of the resurrection gave her false hope that maybe they'd come back to life too!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Hi Annie! I disagree with religion coming into my children's education. I want them to learn spelling, maths, science, geography, history etc etc and if I wanted them to be religious I'd send them to church.. I'm all for the learning about all religions and faiths and being encouraged to be accepting of them all, but I don't want my kid preached to

Well I had a full religious education in both primary and secondary school and at no point was I preached to.

Even when these (catholic) schools held masses or any other religious events, it was optional for the students to attend.

That may not be the case for all schools, but it definitely should be.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well I had a full religious education in both primary and secondary school and at no point was I preached to.

Even when these (catholic) schools held masses or any other religious events, it was optional for the students to attend.

That may not be the case for all schools, but it definitely should be.

Ok.. Maybe "preached" was the wrong word. I just don't think religion should be part of children's education unless it means them learning about all religions

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Have to agree with you there LT. If religious members want to start religious threads then they are free to do so (if they are willing to be challenged). Likewise, if anyone doesn't want to be involved in one of these threads then they are free to simply NOT click the link or engage in the discussion, and find another thread topic that they are willing to discuss...

One might theorise, based on the reactions to anti-organised-religion threads, that the reason religious people don't start religious threads is in fact because they don't want to be challenged. Most find it very emotionally challenging (and therefore get angry), because most have many complex emotions wrapped up in / repressed by faith. In my opinion, of course.

Or simply they don't need to have their religion/faith validated by a forum, just as plenty of atheists don't need to be validated either?

Let's face it, 90% of religion based topics on this forum is the OP asking for anyone who agrees with them (one way or the other) to come and convince them they are right.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't think it should be removed from schools but should be an option for people who want to study it. If you remove it completely it becomes a taboo subject and less likely that children will be able to come to informed choices on religion. In my opinion of course.

There's no problem with it being taught in schools in the same way that Historical religion (Greek, Roman, Norse etc.) is taught in schools in History classes, in my opinion. In fact, I distinctly remember learning about a number of world religions in Religious Education in that sort of detached way - Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are a few that I remember learning about quite clearly. But it was taught as it should be... "Some people believe X, Y, Z", "Some people celebrate X, Y, Z because...". The problem with religious schooling is when it's taught as FACT... i.e. teaching the above but then being like "BUT the TRUTH is God/Jesus/Allah/whatever". Even my school, which was non-denominational, had Christian school assemblies every so often and it was only those I took issue with. Religious Education classes and learning about various cultures from an external perspective was fascinating... standing around while a man in black talks about fictional characters like they're his best friends, to be completely blunt, freaked my **** right out .

So yeah... essentially, I have no problem with my kids being taught ABOUT any religion. I do have a problem with them being taught to BELIEVE one religion. Keep Jesus in the R.E. "some people believe" classes and we're all good.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Have to agree with you there LT. If religious members want to start religious threads then they are free to do so (if they are willing to be challenged). Likewise, if anyone doesn't want to be involved in one of these threads then they are free to simply NOT click the link or engage in the discussion, and find another thread topic that they are willing to discuss...

One might theorise, based on the reactions to anti-organised-religion threads, that the reason religious people don't start religious threads is in fact because they don't want to be challenged. Most find it very emotionally challenging (and therefore get angry), because most have many complex emotions wrapped up in / repressed by faith. In my opinion, of course.

Excepting surely that if someone starts a thread with a question why are God/s invisible, that thread and question would have virtually no relevance likely to Atheists who do not believe in God/s anyway.

So the only answers,whether right, possibly right, whether reasoned or totally wrong are then more likely to only come from those with a religious faith or belief in a supreme creator.
Since if they did not participate, then the question was probably pointless in the first place, as to Atheists God/s do not exist.

So when those with a faith or more open thought make a point as to the question asked,it seems to me rather pointless, to me anyway, of the questioner to try to belittle and attack all they say all the time.
That makes one wonder what was the point of asking the question in the first place considering in reality to Atheists there is not a question to either ask or be answered as to the topic.
Unless they only want a thread where they can ram their opinions at everyone, as in fact most religions do too,, dismissing totally what anyone else may say to the opposite view.

Someone mentioned earlier no one is now surely denying evolution too now.
Evolution itself does not rule out a creative source either as for something to evolve it must first exist.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Have to agree with you there LT. If religious members want to start religious threads then they are free to do so (if they are willing to be challenged). Likewise, if anyone doesn't want to be involved in one of these threads then they are free to simply NOT click the link or engage in the discussion, and find another thread topic that they are willing to discuss...

One might theorise, based on the reactions to anti-organised-religion threads, that the reason religious people don't start religious threads is in fact because they don't want to be challenged. Most find it very emotionally challenging (and therefore get angry), because most have many complex emotions wrapped up in / repressed by faith. In my opinion, of course.

Or... maybe they're just well aware of how it'll turn out. All the atheists getting together to accuse people with faith that they're pretty stupid really. Read through this thread, if you're honest about it you'll see what I mean.

You assume people are repressed, you assume a lot... the thing you never assume is that it's none of your business what people believe and knowing the thread will descend into this kind of meaningless nonsense maybe some of us prefer to keep our faith to ourselves. Pretty rich to expect people to justify themselves for your entertainment when all you want to do really is argue. That's not a debate.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's no problem with it being taught in schools in the same way that Historical religion (Greek, Roman, Norse etc.) is taught in schools in History classes, in my opinion. In fact, I distinctly remember learning about a number of world religions in Religious Education in that sort of detached way - Hinduism, Islam, Judaism and Buddhism are a few that I remember learning about quite clearly. But it was taught as it should be... "Some people believe X, Y, Z", "Some people celebrate X, Y, Z because...". The problem with religious schooling is when it's taught as FACT... i.e. teaching the above but then being like "BUT the TRUTH is God/Jesus/Allah/whatever". Even my school, which was non-denominational, had Christian school assemblies every so often and it was only those I took issue with. Religious Education classes and learning about various cultures from an external perspective was fascinating... standing around while a man in black talks about fictional characters like they're his best friends, to be completely blunt, freaked my **** right out .

So yeah... essentially, I have no problem with my kids being taught ABOUT any religion. I do have a problem with them being taught to BELIEVE one religion. Keep Jesus in the R.E. "some people believe" classes and we're all good.

Agree

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Or simply they don't need to have their religion/faith validated by a forum, just as plenty of atheists don't need to be validated either?

Let's face it, 90% of religion based topics on this forum is the OP asking for anyone who agrees with them (one way or the other) to come and convince them they are right.

It's just my opinion.

In my experience of certain individuals who happen to hold certain beliefs that could be described as religious in nature, those individuals become very emotionally uncomfortable when faced with the prospect of an in-depth discussion on the nature of faith. I don't know if that applies to all religious people. Just the ones that I, in my personal experience, happen to have encountered.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I haven't said any of that love.

Maybe take the same lesson as Kizzy and read a post in the context of the many posts that it follows to gauge a a better understanding?

I was not replying to you Marsh it was bobnot


Now this thread is making you paranoid

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's just my opinion.

In my experience of certain individuals who happen to hold certain beliefs that could be described as religious in nature, those individuals become very emotionally uncomfortable when faced with the prospect of an in-depth discussion on the nature of faith. I don't know if that applies to all religious people. Just the ones that I, in my personal experience, happen to have encountered.

0/10. Must try harder next time.

But, whether that's your opinion or not, it doesn't apply to this thread in particular. Started by a certain atheist to mock people who believe in a God or Gods.

But I would like to see where, exactly, in these 26 pages there's been an "in-depth discussion on the nature of faith". The foundation of this discussion isn't even interested in that.