[waterhog]

sheltered housing developments shelved due to benefit cuts - why should i pay for the old or disabled ? 16.02.16

　

　

for giving your life

we should all appreciate your sacrifice

yes you may be without hubby or wife

but this is not the final price.

we have a housing shortage

its no figment of your imagination

as a uk citizen there is no storage

above you on the ladder is foreign aid and immigration.

building has halted

the government is pulling the strings

on the building sites is the horse that bolted

shame on the conservative party it brings.

don't worry if you have difficulties

you are being targeted because you are venerable

the best out come is death and no casualties

is anyone in parliament honorable.

your pension won't cover

even if you have a private one topping

we don't owe you love like from your mother

please agree these buildings need stopping.

no to living in a community

on offer is not this facility

old, disabled or with mental health has no immunity

but to bring shame on this government i have the ability.

　

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35583415

[DemolitionRed]

Again, this is hitting the poorest, the ones who only collect a state pension and for those who are about to retire, if they don't do so before this new flat rate pension starts in April, then they will be getting considerably less than those who are already retired.

What is this government thinking?

[joeysteele]

Keep cutting things that already operate at the bare minimum of funding needed to cover same, as this govt repeatedly is doing towards the poorest and most vulnerable and getting away with it too very sadly.

Then all you create are likely more problems such as this one and then even more of a crisis.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Again, this is hitting the poorest, the ones who only collect a state pension and for those who are about to retire, if they don't do so before this new flat rate pension starts in April, then they will be getting considerably less than those who are already retired.

What is this government thinking?

Pension now is just over Ł119 a week, going up to Ł155 in April for new claimants only, now I know it depends on if you have the full contributions and that it has gone back to 35 years from 30 again, but I think most newly retired will be better off.
Isn't it all to do with them changing the retirement age, the extra money meant to make up for having to wait longer for it?

[arista]

[Labour described the housing benefit cut as a "catastrophe for those who can least afford it".

But a spokesman for the Department for Work and Pensions said: "We've always been clear that we
value the work the supported accommodation sector does to protect the
most vulnerable members of society.
"That's why we are carrying out a thorough review,
working with the sector, to ensure that it works in the best
way possible - which is what the NHF has asked for.

"We are also providing councils with Ł870m of Discretionary
Housing Payments which can be paid to people in supported accommodation." ]


Yes Hog its Complex

[lostalex]

you asked why should you pay?

why should people that don't have cars have to pay for highways?
why should people that don't have kids have to pay for schools?
why should people that don't play sports have to pay the hospital bills of people that get injured from sports

why should you have to pay for anyone but yourself?

The answer is....you don't! you could go to the wilderness and live alone. and never ask for any help from anyone. you can just go out into the forrest and live completely alone, if you want to.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you asked why should you pay?

why should people that don't have cars have to pay for highways?
why should people that don't have kids have to pay for schools?
why should people that don't play sports have to pay the hospital bills of people that get injured from sports

why should you have to pay for anyone but yourself?

The answer is....you don't! you could go to the wilderness and live alone. and never ask for any help from anyone. you can just go out into the forrest and live completely alone, if you want to.

at least there was not the option

why should people have to tolerate your posts waterhog ?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you asked why should you pay?

why should people that don't have cars have to pay for highways?
why should people that don't have kids have to pay for schools?
why should people that don't play sports have to pay the hospital bills of people that get injured from sports

why should you have to pay for anyone but yourself?

The answer is....you don't! you could go to the wilderness and live alone. and never ask for any help from anyone. you can just go out into the forrest and live completely alone, if you want to.

Good point Alex.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you asked why should you pay?

why should people that don't have cars have to pay for highways?
why should people that don't have kids have to pay for schools?
why should people that don't play sports have to pay the hospital bills of people that get injured from sports

why should you have to pay for anyone but yourself?

The answer is....you don't! you could go to the wilderness and live alone. and never ask for any help from anyone. you can just go out into the forrest and live completely alone, if you want to.

or get paid in cash like me.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Pension now is just over Ł119 a week, going up to Ł155 in April for new claimants only, now I know it depends on if you have the full contributions and that it has gone back to 35 years from 30 again, but I think most newly retired will be better off.
Isn't it all to do with them changing the retirement age, the extra money meant to make up for having to wait longer for it?

But if sheltered housing rent is to be brought in line with private rentals for new tenants. Those tenants who need housing benefit help are going to be expected to fork out much higher rentals, which they will have to subsidise with their pensions.

At least that's my understanding from the bits I've read. Hopefully someone will tell me I'm mistaken about this.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

or get paid in cash like me.

The trouble with that is, if you ever did have to claim benefits or wanted a state pension you'd be fecked.

[Kizzy]

They are just old and worthless or incapacitated, they shouldn't expect to be provided for. (Which is why we have tories to ensure they aren't)

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are just old and worthless or incapacitated, they shouldn't expect to be provided for. (Which is why we have tories to ensure they aren't)

Shrugs Well I guess it will be the gas chambers for us lot when we get old!

[joeysteele]

Discretionary payments do not last forever,all they do is put things off for a little longer.
Its a wrong thing to do, full stop.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Shrugs Well I guess it will be the gas chambers for us lot when we get old!

I'd say if you don't have provision of your own, family to support you or insurances then I'd say your chances of surviving much past retirement are slim.
But then I always look on the bright side

'The Tories’ austerity programme has led to the biggest rise in death rates among the elderly for nearly 50 years. Advisers to Public Health England (PHE) warned that the 4-year trend may be the worse since World War II.

Data from the Office of National Statistics shows a 5.4% (27,000) increase in deaths in the past year alone, prompting calls for an urgent investigation.

PHE said the elderly were bearing the worst of Tory austerity cuts, with women suffering disproportionately because they live longer.

Professor Danny Dorling, from Oxford University, an advisor to PHE on older age life expectancy, said:

When we look at 2015, we are not just looking at one bad year. We have seen excessive mortality – especially among women – since 2012.''

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/02/16/o...tes-since-war/

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The trouble with that is, if you ever did have to claim benefits or wanted a state pension you'd be fecked.

you can do both with an understanding boss.

[kirklancaster]

I deplore this. I do not understand the Government's rationale.

Perhaps it is this:

If someone starts work at say, 18 years of age, works reasonably hard, saves a little, stays 'responsible', buys their first home at around 25 years old, then over the next 45 years or so, by the time they are old and decrepit or ill and in need of care, they should be independantly financially 'secure' - wealthier than they have ever been at any other stage in their life.

That home - by all historical trend data - will have doubled in value every 9 or 10 years, savings will have swollen due to interest and compound interest etc. etc.

But it DOES NOT always work out this way - especially given the increasingly volatile state of our economy, the increasingly punitive tax measures, the increasing scarcity of employment opportunities, and the normal 'Sod's Law' reverses in life.

It is difficult to be in work if there are no opportunities.
It is difficult to be in long-term work if only short-term contracts are offered.
It is difficult to save money when year in, year out, the REAL disposable income we have is increasingly less and less due to poor wage levels, more numerous 'stealth' taxes, and ever increasing 'Costs Of Living'.
It is difficult to even even get onto the property ladder now due to a draconian criterion of mortgage qualification.

For the most part, the generation who are in most need of these 'Sheltered Homes' are the ones who HAVE worked and who HAVE 'paid into the system', and to deny them the help which they need now, or to impair the quality of that help just to 'save money', is not only disgusting, but totally bewildering.

I simply do not understand this Government's rationale here.

They must have read that famous book; "How To Lose Friends And Influence People To Turn Against You".

[Kizzy]

They read how to manipulate the media to make gullible people vote for you, wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't invented UKIP to split the vote

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I deplore this. I do not understand the Government's rationale.

Perhaps it is this:

If someone starts work at say, 18 years of age, works reasonably hard, saves a little, stays 'responsible', buys their first home at around 25 years old, then over the next 45 years or so, by the time they are old and decrepit or ill and in need of care, they should be independantly financially 'secure' - wealthier than they have ever been at any other stage in their life.

That home - by all historical trend data - will have doubled in value every 9 or 10 years, savings will have swollen due to interest and compound interest etc. etc.

But it DOES NOT always work out this way - especially given the increasingly volatile state of our economy, the increasingly punitive tax measures, the increasing scarcity of employment opportunities, and the normal 'Sod's Law' reverses in life.

It is difficult to be in work if there are no opportunities.
It is difficult to be in long-term work if only short-term contracts are offered.
It is difficult to save money when year in, year out, the REAL disposable income we have is increasingly less and less due to poor wage levels, more numerous 'stealth' taxes, and ever increasing 'Costs Of Living'.
It is difficult to even even get onto the property ladder now due to a draconian criterion of mortgage qualification.

For the most part, the generation who are in most need of these 'Sheltered Homes' are the ones who HAVE worked and who HAVE 'paid into the system', and to deny them the help which they need now, or to impair the quality of that help just to 'save money', is not only disgusting, but totally bewildering.

I simply do not understand this Government's rationale here.

They must have read that famous book; "How To Lose Friends And Influence People To Turn Against You".

I agree with everything you've said here.
Do you think another government would/could turn this around?

[waterhog]

after labor and how they shafted there own people - not sure if there is ?