[p2pnut]

Originally posted by Deus Ex Machina
You all seem to be jumping to the conclusion that I don't like transsexuals.
False - I just don't like Nadia.

p2p - you are "quite happy with [your] knowledge of genetics", and yet you think a male can become a female by the addition of breasts and the removal of the penis?

This has nothing to do with 'fascism' (of course, by applying a label to me you are being fascist yourself), it is to do with science.

flyfly - What has Nadia choosing to be a transsexual got to do with anything?

Finally: Lee - oh well, never mind. I just assumed you were male because you were a moderator (no offense, it's just more likely because of the male-dominated Internet).

'Liking' , or 'not liking' Nadia cannot be a reason for the use of spurious arguments based upon unsound science.

I refer you to my original response to your 'pseudo-science' in which I discussed the fact that x/y chromosones are NOT fixed entities (as you suggested). They are able to transform according to a number of factors - temperature, pollutants, hormone levels etc. By this (somewhat deeper) understanding of genetics it is a given fact that, via the various surgical and chemical processes undergone by a (self-opting) transexual, the levels of oestrogen rise (significantly) and create the conditions which promote female characteristics.

I realise that your understanding of this somewhat complex (and challenging) subject is possibly based upon 'common sense' science (frequently promoted by the red-top tabloids).

However, there is nothing more liberating than knowledge. Therefore I have added a few quotes from scientific articles which seek to explore the subject in a more balanced way.


Several factors can be taken into account in determining a person's biological sex. They include chromosomal sex (X and Y, for example); hormonal sex (oestrogen and testosterone); gonadal sex (ovaries and testes); genital sex (vagina and penis, for example); reproductive sex (sperm-carrying and inseminating; gestating and lactating); and other associated internal organs (like the uterus or the prostate).

These factors are not always consistent with each other. In fact science admits everyone falls somewhere along a continuum. But few people would know if they were 100-per-cent male or 100-per-cent female, chromosomally or hormonally, as there are not many cases in everyday practice in which this would be tested.

http://www.ai-lgbt.org/transgender.htm

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Elevating the sex chromosomes above all other factors may be the 21st century parallel of the mistake made by the Victorians who located "true" sex in the gonads. Though high school biology teaches that men have XY and women XX chromosomes, in fact there are quite a few other combinations (XO, XXY, XO/XY, XYY, XX male, XY female), and there are many individuals who do not follow these patterns.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Intersex





I sincerely hope that the above will prove to be enlightening (for all who are confused about this issue). Without wishing to sound overly dogmatic or superior, I trust that these scientific articles can put an end to this needless and rather tasteless thread.

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My reference to 'fascism' may have been a little heavyhanded. However, the last polity to institutionally employ pseudo-science to victimise transexuals (amongst many other other groups) was Nazi Germany. I am sure you will agree that we would not want to tread that path again.