[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Is this a Northern thing .We regularly go into London and out locally but have never seen any of that

Yes


Feel The Force

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes


Feel The Force

We are so much more civilised down south

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We are so much more civilised down south

Don't you have that family of inbreds down there, what are they called again?...Ah yes, the Winsors

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

an ​insulting word for someone, usually a ​young ​person, whose way of ​dressing, ​speaking, and ​behaving is ​thought to show ​their ​lack of ​education and ​low ​social ​class

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/chav

Its stereotyping and its a word that makes me cringe.

There have always been yobs on the street at night, at least during my lifetime. When I went out as a teen, there were always drunken girl gangs wanting to pick a fight with someone or someone spewing into a gutter or being kicked out of night clubs and there were always loud mouth drunks looking for trouble.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't you have that family of inbreds down there, what are they called again?...Ah yes, the Winsors

I think they spend most of their time in Balmoral

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think they spend most of their time in Balmoral

What about that asylum parliament? plenty of chinless wonders in there too

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We are so much more civilised down south

You Are Most Wise

[Beso]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What exactly is a chav ?

All of us at certain moments.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We are so much more civilised down south

From my area (which is south of london) you would not think that at all but then again, it is Essex, soo..

[Jack_]

Well this thread is a disturbing read really isn't it, y'all need a copy of Owen Jones' 'Chavs' in your life

Here's a good starting point:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/int...avs-owen-jones

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well this thread is a disturbing read really isn't it, y'all need a copy of Owen Jones' 'Chavs' in your life

Here's a good starting point:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/int...avs-owen-jones

I actually own that book, just need to get a chance to read it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I actually own that book, just need to get a chance to read it.

It's an enlightening read and I've never used the term 'chav' in a derogatory context again because everything he spelt out is true

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's an enlightening read and I've never used the term 'chav' in a derogatory context again because everything he spelt out is true

The British working class have become an object of fear and ridicule. From Little Britain's Vicky Pollard to the demonization of Jade Goody, media and politicians alike dismiss as feckless, criminalized and ignorant a vast, underprivileged swathe of society that has become stereotyped by one hate-filled word: chavs. Owen Jones explores how the working class has gone from 'salt of the earth' to 'scum of the earth'. Moving through Westminster's lobbies and working-class communities from Dagenham to Dewsbury Moor, Jones lays bare the ignorance and prejudice at the heart of the chav caricature, and reveals a far more complex reality: the increasing poverty and desperation of people left abandoned by the aspirational, society-fragmenting policies of both the Tories and New Labour.
Cavs is an illuminating, disturbing portrait of inequality and class hatred in modern Britain.


I've recommended this brilliant book to many a friend.

[Northern Monkey]

The thing about chavs though is that in reality they are not all from benefit families or working class families.Yes there are more of them on council estates but they're not solely from those areas.You do get the kids from more well off surrounding areas dressing and talking like chavs too.Back in my day "chavs" did'nt exist as a descriptor for thugs but "charva" and "chavvy" was used alot.I think it was when the southerners heard that word that they changed it to "chav".When i first heard it i thought it sounded ridiculous.
I think chavs as they are known today are actually classless.There are many a middle class chav.

[Kizzy]

In current usage here in Kent - primarily by teenagers as a term of abuse - as in "he's a right Chav." Describes someone who wears Reebok or Adidas trainers, gold jewellery and is likely to be a shop lifter. Girl Chavs wear big gold hoop earrings and like pop music (as opposed to rock, metal, grunge etc.) , Would be very interested to hear any feed back on this as this one word has made me feel like a very out of touch parent!! My daughter was bought an Adidas bag which she refused to use for fear of being called a "Chav". She then gave me the above description, and other teenagers I've asked have given the same with little variation.
However, my husband (Kent born and bred) says when he was young the term 'Chav' was used as an affectionate term for a younger boy - certainly not as an insult as it is used now. It would appear that even those teenagers who dress as described are deeply offended by the word.

http://www.odps.org/glossword/index....erm&d=4&t=2671

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The thing about chavs though is that in reality they are not all from benefit families or working class families.Yes there are more of them on council estates but they're not solely from those areas.You do get the kids from more well off surrounding areas dressing and talking like chavs too.Back in my day "chavs" did'nt exist as a descriptor for thugs but "charva" and "chavvy" was used alot.I think it was when the southerners heard that word that they changed it to "chav".When i first heard it i thought it sounded ridiculous.
I think chavs as they are known today are actually classless.There are many a middle class chav.

yes that Essex bunch

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's an enlightening read and I've never used the term 'chav' in a derogatory context again because everything he spelt out is true

Yes it is Jack

We need our Streets Cleaned UP

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes it is Jack

We need our Streets Cleaned UP

I hope you're referring to the anti-littering campaigns

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well this thread is a disturbing read really isn't it, y'all need a copy of Owen Jones' 'Chavs' in your life

Here's a good starting point:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/int...avs-owen-jones

Well you best be back here when BB airs as the crowd are regularly called chavs, you can produce this link then

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by arista

We need our Streets Cleaned UP