[_Tom_]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I have only one thing to say as to those of over 65 who it appears have voted more to 'leave' than 'remain', not all of them thankfully.

When 41 years ago, they were voting for their futures, they voted yes to getting closer to Europe in the EEC, with the knowledge, that was said at the time of going in then, this was just the start of the UKs journey in Europe.

Now it is not their futures they were particularly voting on, sadly more of them than not, it appears now voted to 'leave',so to blazes with everyone else.

Perhaps it's because old people actually have life experience and have been directly impacted by the EU?

These are people who have direct experience from before and after the European Union. They have lived through the EU's effect on their lives - and they can see how it's going.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Perhaps it's because old people actually have life experience and have been directly impacted by the EU?

These are people who have direct experience from before and after the European Union. They have lived through the EU's effect on their lives - and they can see how it's going.

My point was not that they had not life experience at all but when it was their futures they were voting on, they voted 'in' and were probably over the moon the rest of the Nation backed them by 2 to 1 then too.

This time even with the young of today, like them in 1975, being pro being in the EU by a likely strong margin, they voted for themselves and not the futures of said young of the Nation.

Those who did that,it's their right to do so and vote as they wish but it doesn't alter my point that they wanted different for themselves in 1975.
Which most young of today wanted what they'd had and got in 1975 for them, here in 2016..

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

My point was not that they had not life experience at all but when it was their futures they were voting on, they voted 'in' and were probably over the moon the rest of the Nation backed them by 2 to 1 then too.

This time even with the young of today, like them in 1975, being pro being in the EU by a likely strong margin, they voted for themselves and not the futures of said young of the Nation.

Those who did that,it's their right to do so and vote as they wish but it doesn't alter my point that they wanted different for themselves in 1975.
Which most young of today wanted what they'd had and got in 1975 for them, here in 2016..

Not quite sure how old is old in this instance.
There is absolutely no way of knowing if the older generation that have voted this time even bothered voting last time never mind if they actually voted the opposite to last time, so it's a rather big assumption Joey.
Back in the seventies there was no internet and not that much telly to be honest, apart from the very boring party political broadcasts at the time or the news, I wonder if the youngsters of the day were anywhere near as interested in it as they are now.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Not quite sure how old is old in this instance.
There is absolutely no way of knowing if the older generation that have voted this time even bothered voting last time never mind if they actually voted the opposite to last time, so it's a rather big assumption Joey.
Back in the seventies there was no internet and not that much telly to be honest, apart from the very boring party political broadcasts at the time or the news, I wonder if the youngsters of the day were anywhere near as interested in it as they are now.

I am not assuming anything and I don't do so either.

The news has presented that according to findings, the young that voted did so by around 70% to 30% to stay in.
Also that the older voters over 65 voted around 65% to 35% to leave.

The campaigning team I was part of, the findings there,over 1500 in fact, of talking to people at their doors and at the street stalls are in line with those figures.

I never assume anything, I came across hundreds myself who had voted yes in 1975 who were going to vote leave this time.

However I think even ignoring my own experiences of campaigning and any other means,even just dismissing that work as nonsense.
It was clearly and widely reported daily on the news, the daily politics,the sunday politics and question time programmes,that the more older voters were more for leave and the younger voters for remain.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not assuming anything and I don't do so either.

The news has presented that according to findings, the young that voted did so by around 70% to 30% to stay in.
Also that the older voters over 65 voted around 65% to 35% to leave.

The campaigning team I was part of, the findings there,over 1500 in fact, of talking to people at their doors and at the street stalls are in line with those figures.

I never assume anything, I came across hundreds myself who had voted yes in 1975 who were going to vote leave this time.

However I think even ignoring my own experiences of campaigning and any other means,even just dismissing that work as nonsense.
It was clearly and widely reported daily on the news, the daily politics,the sunday politics and question time programmes,that the more older voters were more for leave and the younger voters for remain.

Yes Joey, I don't dispute your facts, but how can anybody know for a fact that the actual people that voted in last time voted out this time?
No doubt some did..and no doubt some didn't.
That aside, so much has changed over the last 40 odd years you can expect a fair few people to change their minds.
Were young people voting in the same percentages over 40 year ago? I know for sure not one of my group of friends bothered voting or had any interest in politics at the time.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Not quite sure how old is old in this instance.
There is absolutely no way of knowing if the older generation that have voted this time even bothered voting last time never mind if they actually voted the opposite to last time, so it's a rather big assumption Joey.
Back in the seventies there was no internet and not that much telly to be honest, apart from the very boring party political broadcasts at the time or the news, I wonder if the youngsters of the day were anywhere near as interested in it as they are now.

Some good points Smudgie. As you say, we did not have internet back then, but the 'young' people today have, and most of them are very skilled in using it.

Which is one of the things which annoyed me about some young people moaning before the EU Referendum that they 'could not find any information' and were 'confused'. There are hundreds of thousands of pages on the internet about the EU - googling brings them all up.

I bet they would not be confused about where to find information on the latest video game or what style of weaves Paris Hilton is curently wearing - their little fingers would be googling at the speed of light.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Some good points Smudgie. As you say, we did not have internet back then, but the 'young' people today have, and most of them are very skilled in using it.

Which is one of the things which annoyed me about some young people moaning before the EU Referendum that they 'could not find any information' and were 'confused'. There are hundreds of thousands of pages on the internet about the EU - googling brings them all up.

I bet they would not be confused about where to find information on the latest video game or what style of weaves Paris Hilton is curently wearing - their little fingers would be googling at the speed of light.

Those kids are talking BS saying that they can't find information on the EU but yet it only takes them 3 clicks to get Pamela Anderson having sex on a boat.