[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ahh, so now we're rewriting history and pretending that Farage never suggested that EU millions would go to the NHS. In fact he was saying it would be privatised all along!

Let's not forget when he promised to resign if the last election didn't go well for him and he didn't.

He has a history of lying.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Is that what you think? Is your mentality really to think Im killing ther buzz? Thats funny. Grim but amusing. Do you think im "buzzing" ?
Im suprised at you to be honest. Not so much quite a few others on here but i thought you were a bit brighter than that.

No one shines as bright as you Bob

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm having a go at anyone who lets their patriotism blind them to sense and reason.

No its more than that
Dezzy.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Let's not forget when he promised to resign if the last election didn't go well for him and he didn't.

He has a history of lying.

the guy is an idiot. He had conceded defeat prior to a vote being counted, he then accused Cameron of fixing the result, before then claiming victory, for a project he wasn't an official representative for

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the guy is an idiot. He had conceded defeat prior to a vote being counted, he then accused Cameron of fixing the result, before then claiming victory, for a project he wasn't an official representative for

Only Because of Bad BBC reporting

ITV News Live called it a Hour before
the Slow BBC

[Cherie]

I don't really get that we must all roll up our sleeves and get on with it, get on with what exactly ? Is this what people do when their party doesn't win an election..no ..and they have the comfort that in 5 years there will be a chance for change, the ramifications of this vote will be sinking in for months, yet we are not meant to speak about it ..no that won't be happening

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Only Because of Bad BBC reporting

ITV News Live called it a Hour before
the Slow BBC

lol bollocks, he said that they were beaten prior to a single vote being counted. Its not the BBC's fault that they filmed him saying it

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Joey I predict you will be a tory by the end of this year so you have to soften your stance on him a little

I am a Conservative in part, I do believe the Conservatives are good with the economy,I can see a lot of good in the Conservative party and know they have really good, consensus people among their ranks,as all parties do.

I just have new priorities which experience has drawn me to.
For me because I believe now that Labour has a heart and would now do far more for the sick, disabled and most vulnerable,(more than they ever did,when they could have, to protect them when in govt).
I have though set myself with that party now.

However, I now do feel let down myself by Corbyn,I didn't vote for him as leader.
I also feel all supporters of parties should be served by one of the best candidates and leader available and for me Corbyn is not one of the best now.

Had I lived in Scotland now,it would have been the SNP I was drawn to there, I admired Alex Salmond and now do also Nicola Sturgeon and near all the SNP have done in govt.

There is good and not so good all over all parties, I can see that and look for that good.
It is the far extremes I dislike as to all of them.

However as to Ian Duncan Smith, I have witnessed way too many people who suffered at the hands of his policies, so for me he is a certain write off.

Finally, Nigel Farage, for me he is the one who who really over decades fought for and got this referendum.

For me, he should have led the leave campaign, being the only real unwavering credible figure of same.
Clearly I do not agree with him as to that or other policy but I do think his sincerity to that cause can never be questioned justifiably.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't really get that we must all roll up our sleeves and get on with it, get on with what exactly ? Is this what people do when their party doesn't win an election..no ..and they have the comfort that in 5 years there will be a chance for change, the ramifications of this vote will be sinking in for months, yet we are not meant to speak about it ..no that won't be happening

Exactly, this has split the UK in half and one half has to simply put up and shut up with it because the winning side said so and want to brag in peace?

What about NI and Scotland who voted remain but it ultimately didn't matter because England will always have the final say? How frustrating it must be for them. I seriously hope they get their own referendums for independence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Let's not forget when he promised to resign if the last election didn't go well for him and he didn't.

He has a history of lying.

Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation.

Mr Farage had previously said he would stand down after failing to win a seat in last week's general election.

But the party said there was "overwhelmingly evidence" that UKIP members did not want Mr Farage to go.

Writing in the Telegraph, Mr Farage said he had been "reluctant", but decided he "owed it to the party to stay" on as leader.

Source: various



so looks like he isnt the liar but someone else is?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am a Conservative in part, I do believe the Conservatives are good with the economy,I can see a lot of good in the Conservative party and know they have really good, consensus people among their ranks,as all parties do.

I just have new priorities which experience has drawn me to.
For me because I believe now that Labour has a heart and would now do far more for the sick, disabled and most vulnerable,(more than they ever did,when they could have, to protect them when in govt).
I have though set myself with that party now.

However, I now do feel let down myself by Corbyn,I didn't vote for him as leader.
I also feel all supporters of parties should be served by one of the best candidates and leader available and for me Corbyn is not one of the best now.

Had I lived in Scotland now,it would have been the SNP I was drawn to there, I admired Alex Salmond and now do also Nicola Sturgeon and near all the SNP have done in govt.

There is good and not so good all over all parties, I can see that and look for that good.
It is the far extremes I dislike as to all of them.

However as to Ian Duncan Smith, I have witnessed way too many people who suffered at the hands of his policies, so for me he is a certain write off.

Finally, Nigel Farage, for me he is the one who who really over decades fought for and got this referendum.

For me, he should have led the leave campaign, being the only real unwavering credible figure of same.
Clearly I do not agree with him as to that or other policy but I do think his sincerity to that cause can never be questioned justifiably.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation.

Mr Farage had previously said he would stand down after failing to win a seat in last week's general election.

But the party said there was "overwhelmingly evidence" that UKIP members did not want Mr Farage to go.

Writing in the Telegraph, Mr Farage said he had been "reluctant", but decided he "owed it to the party to stay" on as leader.

Source: various



so looks like he isnt the liar but someone else is?

Nope he definitely is a liar.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Exactly, this has split the UK in half and one half has to simply put up and shut up with it because the winning side said so and want to brag in peace?

What about NI and Scotland who voted remain but it ultimately didn't matter because England will always have the final say? How frustrating it must be for them. I seriously hope they get their own referendums for independence.

I agree and it is true the UK is split in half on this, this is the point I was trying to make yesterday, it cannot be said that all the Nations of the UK have an equal place in it when the largest can always dictate the results to the rest.

The Scots voted,62% to 38% to remain in the EU as a percentage of their electorate.
The Welsh voted 52.5% to 47.5% to leave from the same status.

Northern Ireland voted as to their percentage of electorate,55.8% to 44.2% to remain in the EU.

England from their population and electorate status voted only by 53.4% to 46.6% to leave.

Of course the UK is split, 2 of its Nations voted to remain and 2 to leave.
As a percentage,those voting to remain did so by a greater margin.

However in comes England with its bigger population and therefore able to override the decisions of the other 3 even collectively.
Now either all the Nations have an equal seat at the UK table or they don't.

Ignoring the votes of all the 4 Nations here and just accepting the votes really of the largest,pushing the others aside, is bound to cause division, frustration, anger and disillusionment too.

[Northern Monkey]

Scotland should have another referendum if they think they could actually survive outside the UK.

[the truth]

if scotland have another one and vote to leave can we have another eu referendum? where do these neverendums end?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Scotland should have another referendum if they think they could actually survive outside the UK.

I would like to see the back of LT to be fair

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by the truth

if scotland have another one and vote to leave can we have another eu referendum? where do these neverendums end?

Neverendums

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation.

Mr Farage had previously said he would stand down after failing to win a seat in last week's general election.

But the party said there was "overwhelmingly evidence" that UKIP members did not want Mr Farage to go.

Writing in the Telegraph, Mr Farage said he had been "reluctant", but decided he "owed it to the party to stay" on as leader.

Source: various



so looks like he isnt the liar but someone else is?

Please, like that actually happened. He had no intention of going anywhere, it was all an empty gesture to get him out of his promise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I would like to see the back of LT to be fair

makes a change from the pms wanting to see my front..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Please, like that actually happened. He had no intention of going anywhere, it was all an empty gesture to get him out of his promise.

Dezzy I know you like Nigel I just wish you would come out?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Scotland should have another referendum if they think they could actually survive outside the UK.

Fingers crossed. Sadly I honestly don't trust that it would be an independence result. If the vote was held today I reckon it could easily be 60/40 to split but after a "No" campaign has had a chance to weave a Web of lies like last time? Meh. We were duped out of it last time and it would probably just happen again. It's genuinely getting too hard to continue to hope.

... Yeah thats a bit dramatic. But seriously, I have very little faith at this point, three votes in a year and nothing but disappointment after campaigns filled with nothing but lies and fear. It's draining.

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Patriotism is a foolish concept that exists only to shame and discredit anyone who dares think differently.

Who gives a **** about being patriotic, you're simply born and live in a place, what is there to really be prideful about?

[Scarlett.]

Can we all agreed that both Labour and Conservatives seem to be running around like headless chickens?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Can we all agreed that both Labour and Conservatives seem to be running around like headless chickens?

Yes, certainly for me.

Although now apparently the Lib Dems too are joining the chaos and now going to set themselves up as a party to take the UK back into the EU.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Exactly, this has split the UK in half and one half has to simply put up and shut up with it because the winning side said so and want to brag in peace?

What about NI and Scotland who voted remain but it ultimately didn't matter because England will always have the final say? How frustrating it must be for them. I seriously hope they get their own referendums for independence.

And wouldn't it have been exactly the same had it gone the other way? Or is only the evil leavers who would have had to put up and shut up? What about the 39% of Scots who voted to leave the EU? Is their vote less valid than the 60 odd percent who voted to stay? Is your vote more valid than mine, is mine more valid than yours? Of course not. It's democracy. The majority wins.

If I were you I would be more worried about the implication of the little noises in the EU about not letting others in the EU who might want a referendum have one. Now that smacks of dictatorship.