[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I just had a brilliant idea for the Remainers who are mad at the result.

What if the UK government and EU set up a program where all the Remainers can sign up and, for their own sanity, keep pretending that they are still part of the EU? How it would work is every year they send Brussels 250 pounds by mail. Then the following month Brussels sends them 100 pounds along with a list of the latest bureaucratic developments which highlight the things they can and can't do.

I think it's a win-win. Those who voted for freedom from the EU will have it and those who didn't won't. I am a genius.

I have a brilliant idea could you just stop trolling?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have a brilliant idea could you just stop trolling?

It's not trolling. Sometimes one silly idea deserves to be answered by another silly idea. I think the people have spoken and every time people vote there ought to be consequences.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is a complete hypothetical, as I said, just a casual wondering, really...

IF significant numbers of polls over the next few months (and by significant I mean dozens, and every poll going one way) showed a large amount of regret over the result - for example, every single poll now showing 65%+ support for NOT implementing article 50 and remaining in the EU... What would your position be?

Would you accept that public opinion had shifted significantly and say we should just stay?

Would you think that we need a second vote?

... Or would you still want the government to forge ahead with Brexit based on Thursday's result?

Which best represents a true and fair democracy?

In Denmark, which is supposed to be a democracy, the public were asked to vote whether or not to become part of the EU. There was a resounding NO. So the government had another referendum and they kept on having them until they reached the magic 51%. So I suppose my answer is that people can be swayed to the 'other side' or just give in out of sheer exasperation.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

In Denmark, which is supposed to be a democracy, the public were asked to vote whether or not to become part of the EU. There was a resounding NO. So the government had another referendum and they kept on having them until they reached the magic 51%. So I suppose my answer is that people can be swayed to the 'other side' or just give in out of sheer exasperation.

For it

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

In Denmark, which is supposed to be a democracy, the public were asked to vote whether or not to become part of the EU. There was a resounding NO. So the government had another referendum and they kept on having them until they reached the magic 51%. So I suppose my answer is that people can be swayed to the 'other side' or just give in out of sheer exasperation.

That is really interesting.

I think another referendum here on this would be likely absurd,however in light of the type of misinformed campaign, and now seeing the after effects following the vote, it could be interesting to see what another came up with as to the result.

Voting in hindsight, rather than in the dark may not be that bad a thing.

[Kizzy]

Scotland may veto it and force one.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Scotland may veto it and force one.

they can't actually veto. They can withold consent, but it doesn't equate to the same thing as their consent is not required to action it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Scotland may veto it and force one.

For sure Kizzy, Nicola Sturgeon is not going to leave any stone unturned in order to find a way if she can to veto this, or influence Westminster MPs to vote it down.

She is formidable and not to be underestimated.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they can't actually veto. They can withold consent, but it doesn't equate to the same thing as their consent is not required to action it.

You sure?

Nicola Sturgeon has appeared to suggest the Scottish Parliament could effectively block the UK’s exit from the European Union.

It comes after Scotland voted by 62 per cent to Remain in the European Union while Britain, as a whole, voted by 52 per cent to 48 per cent to leave Europe.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7104046.html

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You sure?

Nicola Sturgeon has appeared to suggest the Scottish Parliament could effectively block the UK’s exit from the European Union.

It comes after Scotland voted by 62 per cent to Remain in the European Union while Britain, as a whole, voted by 52 per cent to 48 per cent to leave Europe.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7104046.html

yes, i'm sure

[joeysteele]

She seems fairly sure there is something she has come across that can possibly be used in the devolved powers bills to Scotland as to constitutional issues.

No doubt she will have a good and strong legal team looking more deeply into that possibility.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its up to individuals to get off their arses and research not rely on busses and what is written in them

If you would rathert watch GOT or play lotto than Google 'what is the EU'


Then FU

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That is really interesting.

I think another referendum here on this would be likely absurd,however in light of the type of misinformed campaign, and now seeing the after effects following the vote, it could be interesting to see what another came up with as to the result.

Voting in hindsight, rather than in the dark may not be that bad a thing.

Ireland went to a second referendum only few years back..it's not unheard of

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, i'm sure

Is there any logic behind your comment then as it appears the Scottish first minister thinks differently? Or are you not listening because she's an expert, I know some people have just had enough of experts.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Ireland went to a second referendum only few years back..it's not unheard of

As to the euro.

It could be legitimately done and this vote was really close too, if no one can agree on the way forward,who knows Cherie.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its up to individuals to get off their arses and research not rely on busses and what is written in them

If you would rathert watch GOT or play lotto than Google 'what is the EU'


Then FU

Yes but they didn't, and that is what in part makes it a total farce,and really the basis of my point. The few dupe the masses into furthering their agenda and then when the public suddenly realised that they're not getting what they voted for, they are "too late". The masses opinion then changes but the few have already taken their snapshot and use it to their advantage - in full knowledge that their action now no longer represents the will of the majority.

I just keep hearing a lot of "OMG can't you just accept majority opinion". But what if it simply isn't? What if it WAS a majority opinion based on people believing "facts and figures" that have already proven to be fantasy? None of it is real, it's the illusion of input. Smoke and mirrors of the powerful designed to win a "game" and get that snapshot opinion poll at just the right second to further machinations that have nothing at all to do with what people thought they were voting on. I don't understand why more leave voters aren't furious about the process, about being so blatantly and unashamedly used, even if they still believe the outcome was for the best. I don't understand why we're all still playing along with the list process that makes all of us so, so small. If anything, we should all be United in disgust by the very process, the fact that no one - NO ONE - on either side of any of these votes will just give us the facts and the figures and let us truly decide.

Maybe we're all just so blinded by the disappointment / excitement of the result every time that we fail to stop and question the rest of it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, i'm sure

Yes, and you are right to be sure BOTS.

[Kizzy]

Oh it's ok, I think someone asked bob down the dog track....Apparently it can't be done.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but they didn't, and that is what in part makes it a total farce,and really the basis of my point. The few dupe the masses into furthering their agenda and then when the public suddenly realised that they're not getting what they voted for, they are "too late". The masses opinion then changes but the few have already taken their snapshot and use it to their advantage - in full knowledge that their action now no longer represents the will of the majority.

I just keep hearing a lot of "OMG can't you just accept majority opinion". But what if it simply isn't? What if it WAS a majority opinion based on people believing "facts and figures" that have already proven to be fantasy? None of it is real, it's the illusion of input. Smoke and mirrors of the powerful designed to win a "game" and get that snapshot opinion poll at just the right second to further machinations that have nothing at all to do with what people thought they were voting on. I don't understand why more leave voters aren't furious about the process, about being so blatantly and unashamedly used, even if they still believe the outcome was for the best. I don't understand why we're all still playing along with the list process that makes all of us so, so small. If anything, we should all be United in disgust by the very process, the fact that no one - NO ONE - on either side of any of these votes will just give us the facts and the figures and let us truly decide.

Maybe we're all just so blinded by the disappointment / excitement of the result every time that we fail to stop and question the rest of it.

You speak the truth that politicians deceive the GBP with lies in order to secure their support on proposals, but when it comes to the 'EU Referendum' and any suggestion that alleged lies any 'Leave' politicians told 'Leave' voters, is reason enough to contest the legality of the Referendum, or justification for holding a further one, then, unfortunately, we are on very shaky ground, because:

1) I can personally PROVE that the 'Remain' campaigners lied on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE which formed the WHOLE case to remain.
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2) We would NOT even be in the EU in the first place, had Sir Edward Teeth, I mean Heath, not LIED TO us when he took us in to what was then The Common Market', after which, we were lied to again in Wilson's 1975 Referendum, when we voted to stay in.

So, in my opinion, there is nothing to be gained from anyone using any alleged 'Leave' Campaign lies in order to try to justify any ridiculous notion of any second Referendum.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is there any logic behind your comment then as it appears the Scottish first minister thinks differently? Or are you not listening because she's an expert, I know some people have just had enough of experts.

i'm basing it on knowledge that i have. Is that a problem?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i'm basing it on knowledge that i have. Is that a problem?

Any other member's knowledge is a problem if it doesn't fit the viewpoint of the one's questioning it BOTS - you ought to know that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i'm basing it on knowledge that i have. Is that a problem?

So you know more than the Scottish first minister, is that what you are saying? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying.

[kirklancaster]

I know more than the Scottish First Minister - I know what DEMOCRACY is.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It is up to us - THE PEOPLE of this country - Vicky, to FORCE any Government to spend the £20 Billion pa EU savings on this county's services and infrastructure.

This is NOT money that we don't know about - as is the general case - and the Government CANNOT spend it covertly the way Cameron did with the £34 Billion pound extra payment he secretly made to the EU after its demand for the UK to help settle the £259 Billion pound 'Black Hole' in the EU Budget because of fraud, even though that theft had zilch to do with us.

Thanks to the much wrongly maligned Farage, this 'Victory' is a clear message to ALL our politicians that THE PEOPLE are the UK, and that they are nothing more than public servants - OUR servants.

THEY are our servants, and we should now ramp it up and start ACTUALLY taking a more pro-active role in politics and what the politicians are really doing with our tax monies.

The last time that British people of all political persuasions stood together, a particularly nasty piece of Government legislature called The Poll Tax was scrapped.

The money will be there. It is up to US what the polticians do with it.

That is a lovely idea. Unrealistic, but lovely.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I know more than the Scottish First Minister - I know what DEMOCRACY is.

Oh two of you are experts now?..Oh sorry, experts are so last season.