[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Kirk how many times are you going to claim that you can "prove" various things without actually making an attempt to do so?

"Dragons are real, I can prove it!"
"Go on then... "
" Nope, I told you I can prove it and that should be enough. "


Aside from that, it's not that I can't see what you're saying. In theory. The freedom afforded by being out of the EU could pave the way for some great and fair social policies unrestricted by obscure EU laws... If we were to vote in people with such intentions.

But you seem to be ignoring the fact that, far from having a benevolent government here at home, we have one that positively delights in taking from the worst off. And they have no viable opposition, even on the horizon.

So far from a land of hope and salvation, what we actually have is an unrestrained Tory government with a track record of uncaring cruelty, and no end in sight. And worse; the likes of Johnson, Gove and vile IDS waiting to get their grubby work gloves on.

You must at least try to appreciate how this looks to someone staring down the next 50+ years as parent to a disabled child. You will never know what it actually feels like, but you can at least try to see the horror in the thought of the "Tories set loose".

Ffs never thought I'd be likely to be pining for the "good old days" of Camerosborne.

Two points T.S.:

Proving it, would involve me in writing long, comprehensive articles, which - by my past experience - are then ignored.

Secondly, T.s. - I would wager that I have suffered as much real hardship as anyone on here.

I worked for 30+ years building up a business and making investments for the future by sacrificing luxuries, holidays, living quite frugally, etc for all but the later years - when I did relax and indulge a little - only to then lose 90% of everything in 'Economic and Property Crashes' which were not of my doing and which, I know, were hugely beneficial to that 'elitist 10% of this country' which I may repeatedly mention here and there.

I was forced back to work at a time when I thought I could have been enjoying early retirement, and through yet more sacrifice; the cars, my precious watch, my wife's jewellery - all went - and by working 16 hour days, I have all but recovered half of what I originally lost, but those years in between have been harder than I can tell you.

I CAN empathise with you T.S. - I REALLY can.