[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Too true Arista. WAIT.... Handle WHAT exactly? Is this another famous 'Arista Sexual Euphimism'?

we can handle Standing Erect on our OWN Feet



Its So Nice to Divorce the EU

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

We got Brexit.We can get rid of the Tories.They won't be in long.My prediction.

Who will replace them? There is no one. If by "won't be long" you mean in historical terms, as in 10-20 years, then sure. Are we just to be the sacrificial lambs for "future generations"? Very Noble but it doesn't help many people right now does it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

to be fair to George that was a pretty big speech he gave this morning so I guess he was preparing for it

None of us will ever have to give a speech as important as that

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Kirk how many times are you going to claim that you can "prove" various things without actually making an attempt to do so?

"Dragons are real, I can prove it!"
"Go on then... "
" Nope, I told you I can prove it and that should be enough. "


Aside from that, it's not that I can't see what you're saying. In theory. The freedom afforded by being out of the EU could pave the way for some great and fair social policies unrestricted by obscure EU laws... If we were to vote in people with such intentions.

But you seem to be ignoring the fact that, far from having a benevolent government here at home, we have one that positively delights in taking from the worst off. And they have no viable opposition, even on the horizon.

So far from a land of hope and salvation, what we actually have is an unrestrained Tory government with a track record of uncaring cruelty, and no end in sight. And worse; the likes of Johnson, Gove and vile IDS waiting to get their grubby work gloves on.

You must at least try to appreciate how this looks to someone staring down the next 50+ years as parent to a disabled child. You will never know what it actually feels like, but you can at least try to see the horror in the thought of the "Tories set loose".

Ffs never thought I'd be likely to be pining for the "good old days" of Camerosborne.

Two points T.S.:

Proving it, would involve me in writing long, comprehensive articles, which - by my past experience - are then ignored.

Secondly, T.s. - I would wager that I have suffered as much real hardship as anyone on here.

I worked for 30+ years building up a business and making investments for the future by sacrificing luxuries, holidays, living quite frugally, etc for all but the later years - when I did relax and indulge a little - only to then lose 90% of everything in 'Economic and Property Crashes' which were not of my doing and which, I know, were hugely beneficial to that 'elitist 10% of this country' which I may repeatedly mention here and there.

I was forced back to work at a time when I thought I could have been enjoying early retirement, and through yet more sacrifice; the cars, my precious watch, my wife's jewellery - all went - and by working 16 hour days, I have all but recovered half of what I originally lost, but those years in between have been harder than I can tell you.

I CAN empathise with you T.S. - I REALLY can.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to be fair to George that was a pretty big speech he gave this morning so I guess he was preparing for it
None of us will ever have to give a speech as important as that

Glad that
LT has Finally Caught up

[user104658]

It's not about what I have or don't have. I won't ever retire no matter how much money I make. I will be a full-time carer, until the day I die. Beyond that I have no idea what it looks like... Hopefully my other daughter will have a family, and they might be able, and willing, to help. Other than that I can't guarantee her life, health or happiness beyond the scope of my own life and the longer we go with uncaring, and now unbridled, governments like we have now the worse her future looks.

I'm going to be blunt and just say that no... No one who does not have disabled offspring can really understand that sort of fear.

I try not to dwell on it but it is always there.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who will replace them? There is no one. If by "won't be long" you mean in historical terms, as in 10-20 years, then sure. Are we just to be the sacrificial lambs for "future generations"? Very Noble but it doesn't help many people right now does it?

Labour will get a good leader in and takeover the reigns from the Tories.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Labour will get a good leader in and takeover the reigns from the Tories.

Corbyn
is Staying


Keep Up

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Labour will get a good leader in and takeover the reigns from the Tories.

I doubt it, the Labour Party has much bigger problems than just their leader. They are split between what is essentially Tories by any other name, and a more socialist side... And their voters are split down exactly the same lines.

If they edge more towards the socialist they will simply lose more or their right-inclined voters to other parties. If they move back right a-la-new-labour they might entice back some Tories and get back into power but like I said... They will just be Tories. Tories or Tories is the choice, because when it comes right down to it, England is a right-leaning country that is only shifting further in the same direction, and (as we know) the English vote is the only vote that matters.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not about what I have or don't have. I won't ever retire no matter how much money I make. I will be a full-time carer, until the day I die. Beyond that I have no idea what it looks like... Hopefully my other daughter will have a family, and they might be able, and willing, to help. Other than that I can't guarantee her life, health or happiness beyond the scope of my own life and the longer we go with uncaring, and now unbridled, governments like we have now the worse her future looks.

I'm going to be blunt and just say that no... No one who does not have disabled offspring can really understand that sort of fear.

I try not to dwell on it but it is always there.

I hear what you're saying TS, I have a similar fear for the NHS as my son has a heart condition there's no way I could afford the kind of insurance he would need,so the thought of there not being an NHS is one I can't dwell on.
Houses and businesses are nothing, they mean nothing.