[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

While we're at it, can we demand a replay of the England Iceland match? I didn't like that result either, so surely we can demand another crack at it?

Oh yeah that's a very comparable analogy..not

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh yeah that's a very comparable analogy..not

No? You don't think so? I'm crushed.

My point is, for those who haven't grasped it, is... the decision is made, a democratic election has taken place, it has been counted and verified by returning officers up and down the land... end of story. Otherwise, what's the point in having an election?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

No? You don't think so? I'm crushed.

My point is, for those who haven't grasped it, is... the decision is made, a democratic election has taken place, it has been counted and verified by returning officers up and down the land... end of story. Otherwise, what's the point in having an election?

Well to be fair it isn't even original having seen it about 10 times on an expat forum this morning

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well to be fair it isn't even original having seen it about 10 times on an expat forum this morning

Well, I've been working this morning so I've not seen it.

Is this going to be a thing now? We can judge which posts are original? Or is this just for me?

[arista]

"On the other hand"

No Vicky thats does not apply
OUR PM has said no more Refs



We Want Our Country back

[Denver]

saying 17 million peoples opinion is wrong and irrelevant is not the way to go when trying to patch up a broken country

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

saying 17 million peoples opinion is wrong and irrelevant is not the way to go when trying to patch up a broken country

But saying that 16 million peoples is, I suppose.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But saying that 16 million peoples is, I suppose.

thats totally different 33 million people went into a booth to tick one of 2 boxes which ever box had the most votes won and that was always the case you can change it because you disagree plus without a current prime minister that decision can not be made.

fyi i bet non of them would kicked up a fuss had remain won

[Tom4784]

It's a pointless endeavor, a bunch of people who didn't know what they were voting for swung the vote for the wrong side and now they need to live with the consequences of their ill thought out actions.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a pointless endeavor, a bunch of people who didn't know what they were voting for swung the vote for the wrong side and now they need to live with the consequences of their ill thought out actions.

A damning indictment for anyone who doesn't share your view, Dezzy. I knew exactly what I was voting for, as did everyone I know who voted to leave. I took a long time to make up my mind and read a huge amount of materials. And yet I'm still accused of not knowing what I'm doing. Even by people who didn't bloody bother to vote! Rich...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

A damning indictment for anyone who doesn't share your view, Dezzy. I knew exactly what I was voting for, as did everyone I know who voted to leave. I took a long time to make up my mind and read a huge amount of materials. And yet I'm still accused of not knowing what I'm doing. Even by people who didn't bloody bother to vote! Rich...

It's only damning to you if you misread it.

I said 'a bunch of people who didn't know what they were voting for swung the vote for the wrong side' I'm talking about the swing voters who flooded Google's search requests asking what the EU is after they had voted on our fate, voters who were naive enough to believe writing on a bus and the fact that leaving the EU would have an effect on Immigration from the middle east.

A lot of people voted for a massive change without understanding what that change would be, that's just a fact that will become more and more apparent over the coming months and years.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's only damning to you if you misread it.

I said 'a bunch of people who didn't know what they were voting for swung the vote for the wrong side' I'm talking about the swing voters who flooded Google's search requests asking what the EU is after they had voted on our fate, voters who were naive enough to believe writing on a bus and the fact that leaving the EU would have an effect on Immigration from the middle east.

A lot of people voted for a massive change without understanding what that change would be, that's just a fact that will become more and more apparent over the coming months and years.

And likewise, a lot of people voted to remain without the first clue what it meant or why. If there's one thing we can agree on it's that if you wanted information about the effects of the in/out vote, you had to look bloody hard for it when it should have been freely available to everyone.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

And likewise, a lot of people voted to remain without the first clue what it meant or why. If there's one thing we can agree on it's that if you wanted information about the effects of the in/out vote, you had to look bloody hard for it when it should have been freely available to everyone.

Well no, to vote remain would be to keep the Status Quo so it's not really comparable since it's easier to understand the effects of remaining in the EU then it is to leave. A large section of voters very likely decided to throw this entire country off course on a whim.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's only damning to you if you misread it.

I said 'a bunch of people who didn't know what they were voting for swung the vote for the wrong side' I'm talking about the swing voters who flooded Google's search requests asking what the EU is after they had voted on our fate, voters who were naive enough to believe writing on a bus and the fact that leaving the EU would have an effect on Immigration from the middle east.

A lot of people voted for a massive change without understanding what that change would be, that's just a fact that will become more and more apparent over the coming months and years.

Dezzy I swear you are a one man polling machine

'a bunch of people who didn't know what they were voting for swung the vote for the wrong side'

can we have the poll and the figures that you must have run to come to that conclusion?

surely you are not basing this on anecdotal evidence?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

A damning indictment for anyone who doesn't share your view, Dezzy. I knew exactly what I was voting for, as did everyone I know who voted to leave. I took a long time to make up my mind and read a huge amount of materials. And yet I'm still accused of not knowing what I'm doing. Even by people who didn't bloody bother to vote! Rich...

I second that. NO ONE on here or anywhere else is going to tell me that I was ignorant of the issues. I KNOW the issues only too well, like I know that those crying 'foul' are being seduced by ALL the propaganda from those in power and secret power who are desperate to FORCE the weak and spineless in this country to abandon Democracy and hold another referendum.

The stock market crash, the fall of Sterling, the sudden rise in reporting of racist incidents - which have ALWAYS existed but just not been reported in such a CONCERTED manner, the the fall in house prices.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

We HAD to get out of a deep trench which was collapsing on us, and once we went over the top, we KNEW that 'bullets and shells would be fired at us, well those rounds are BLANKS, so stop waving the white flag.

The stock market WILL recover - AFTER all the elite and powerful and wealthy have made BILLIONS from buying up those low shares and watching them recover before selling.

Ditto Sterling.

Ditto the 'property crash'.

THEY not only PERSONALLY win financially, they also win in their WELL PLANNED objective to bamboozle any spineless and witless who voted to 'LEAVE', to regret it, and to force ay spineless and witless who voted to 'REMAIN', to become more militant, so that COMBINED, both camps can TEST our resolve, and our Government's resolve, to abandon DEMOCRACY and surrender.

NOT ON MY WATCH.

Here - everybody calm their nerves by looking forward to the production of my new blockbuster - 'THE GOODFATHER':

Youtube video

'THE GOODFATHER'

INT. DAY: DON KIRKLEONE'S OFFICE (SUMMER 2016)

JOHNNY 'REMAIN' IS SEATED AT THE GOODFATHER'S DESK. HIS HEAD IS BURIED IN HIS HANDS AND HE IS WEEPING UNCONTROLLABLY.
THE DON IS SEATED BEHIND HIS DESK. HE WATCHES JOHNNY WITH A MIXTURE OF BEWILDERMENT AND CONTEMPT.

JOHNNY
I don't know what to do now Goodfather. That EU mob and their henchman – they're threatening us…. Ruining our economy. We are weak now… Weak without their protection. I can't take it.
(Sobs heavily)
What did we do? I'm scared… I can't get to sleep even
when I'm clutching my Teddy tightly…. Anyway, uh, if we could have another Referendum, ya'know, it would be be a different result. Maybe they'd pity us and take us back. We could increase the protection money – I mean increase the contribution that we pay them. That would do it Goodfather…

(Pathetically)

I mean… Wouldn't it? We'd be right back on top again. It's only been just over a week.

DON KIRKLEONE
Who are these people?*

JOHNNY
The big Corporations. The EU. The politicians… Everybody. We can't fight them… They're too big, too strong…. We're weak – Even you Goodfather – they're more powerful than you. I mean, it's only been less than a week now, and yet everybody's threatening us.
(sobs heavily)
These threats…. I can't sleep. I'm a quivering wreck. Oh, Goodfather, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. What can I do?

DON KIRKLEONE
(infuriated)

You can act like a man!
(Slaps Johnny hard across his face)
What's the matter with you?*Is this how you turned out? A trembling finocchio*that ah cries like a woman?(

(then, imitating Johnny,)
What can I do?! What can I do?!
(then)
What is that nonsense? Ridiculous.*Get a fecking grip.

THE GOODFATHER TURNS TO LEATHERTRUMPET, HIS CONSIGLIERE, WHO HAS BEEN SILENTLY OBSERVING.

DON KIRKLEONE
Get me 2,000 horses heads – I'm gonna make them all an offer they can't refuse.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is a simple example that we are not the mature democracy that we thought we were

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is a simple example that we are not the mature democracy that we thought we were

It's a simple example that people have learned that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. Not in this case though.

[DemolitionRed]

The Constitutional Law Association have some very interesting discussions going on. Looking at the legalities behind this treaty, we still have a long way to go.

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/blog/

Nick Barber, Tom Hickman and Jeff King https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/blog/

The King by his proclamation… cannot change any part of the common law, or statute law, or the customs of the realm…

Does this mean Cameron, under the 'Rule of Law' can not action Article 50?

If we need to have a new Act of Parliament to action Article 50 and a new Act of Parliament can only be actioned by MP's, we may soon discover that we are not leaving the EU after all because if we don't implement Article 50 then we can't leave the EU

[Wizard.]

I think everyone should follow this link and report this fraudulent and undemocratic petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/feedback

[lewis111]

It's a tricky one

The People voted and decided what they wanted and that's what happened, that's how a democracy works

But that fact that a huge chunk of the leave campaign was pure lies should be reason enough to to let people vote again now they know the real consequences of their vote

They know what happens when we are in the EU, and know what happens when we are not now

But it shouldn't be for at least a couple years in case things settle

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lewis111

It's a tricky one

The People voted and decided what they wanted and that's what happened, that's how a democracy works

But that fact that a huge chunk of the leave campaign was pure lies should be reason enough to to let people vote again now they know the real consequences of their vote

They know what happens when we are in the EU, and know what happens when we are not now

But it shouldn't be for at least a couple years in case things settle

Ok what about this for an idea.....we negotiate with the EU regarding any and all possibilities....looking at all the rules we wish to abide by and over rule and the eec trade options....the eu simply have to be more flexible on their trade / open borders hard line stance.....they must understand the UK population rose 3.7 million in 10 years whereas germansy fell by 2 million in the same time period. so why dont the sit down and agree an immigration cap for uk and for countries that have had the most immigration and over population? the fact is the uk economy is growing wya quicker than others and wages too....so the people are always wnating to come here.....it has to see flexibility on both sides...IF some kind of compromise middle ground cna be found, then the government could either agree to that or put that new deal to a general election or a second referendum in months to come

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

Ok what about this for an idea.....we negotiate with the EU regarding any and all possibilities....looking at all the rules we wish to abide by and over rule and the eec trade options....the eu simply have to be more flexible on their trade / open borders hard line stance.....they must understand the UK population rose 3.7 million in 10 years whereas germansy fell by 2 million in the same time period. so why dont the sit down and agree an immigration cap for uk and for countries that have had the most immigration and over population? the fact is the uk economy is growing wya quicker than others and wages too....so the people are always wnating to come here.....it has to see flexibility on both sides...IF some kind of compromise middle ground cna be found, then the government could either agree to that or put that new deal to a general election or a second referendum in months to come

Yes,I would go for that.
That is a really good compromise on all sides 'the truth'.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes,I would go for that.
That is a really good compromise on all sides 'the truth'.

Truth for PM

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

Ok what about this for an idea.....we negotiate with the EU regarding any and all possibilities....looking at all the rules we wish to abide by and over rule and the eec trade options....the eu simply have to be more flexible on their trade / open borders hard line stance.....they must understand the UK population rose 3.7 million in 10 years whereas germansy fell by 2 million in the same time period. so why dont the sit down and agree an immigration cap for uk and for countries that have had the most immigration and over population? the fact is the uk economy is growing wya quicker than others and wages too....so the people are always wnating to come here.....it has to see flexibility on both sides...IF some kind of compromise middle ground cna be found, then the government could either agree to that or put that new deal to a general election or a second referendum in months to come

The Germans are quite clear


No special deals for the UK, NO pick and choose - its all in in or all out.

Said it today on Daily Politics

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Germans are quite clear


No special deals for the UK, NO pick and choose - its all in in or all out.

Said it today on Daily Politics

lol they have to play hardball , its all negotiation. in the end its all down to merkel. she is no fool, she knows if she doesnt bend at all germany loses tens of billions , maybe 100s....and the right will rise again. she has to compromise eventually or EU will fall