[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Riley95

Those people who supported to remain the EU whose ideas of working together and the idea that "people fought for peace and for us to come together" are contradicting themselves when they say "SLAYY Nicola you go for independence girl".

The EU is completely different from the UK and pretending otherwise is a tad silly

[Johnnyuk123]

I Sturgeon keeps on talking like this she will talk herself right out of a job. You go girl!

[microscope]

Yes I am definitely not a fan of her voice, it grates on me

She should stay in Scotland and be locked there for the rest of her life. She is not interested in the words, "United Kingdom". She is not interested in words , "Great Britain" either. Her words of interest is, "Scotland for Independance" and ******* the rest of us!!!!!

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I Sturgeon keeps on talking like this she will talk herself right out of a job. You go girl!

a tad delusional she is making haself more popular than ever!

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I Sturgeon keeps on talking like this she will talk herself right out of a job. You go girl!

She'll never be as penniless as the man in your avi

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

The EU is completely different from the UK and pretending otherwise is a tad silly

Indeed.

However I do think, the Scottish voters knew there was a chance the UK would vote out of the EU when they had the last referendum.

I think another referendum would be fair still though, given they have been totally overruled...basically. Same for NI.

I still don't think the majority of Scots would actually go for independence though, especially at a time when EVERYTHING is up in the air. As I understand it too, Scotland would have to 'apply' to be in the Eu also and could be rejected?

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

The EU is completely different from the UK and pretending otherwise is a tad silly

Of course it's different, in fact, Scotland leaving the UK is worse than the UK leaving the EU.

[Wizard.]

People go on about "little England" but what will Scotland be without London? This is why Nicola is committed to being in the EU talks with Brussells because she needs to be sure that Scotland will have trade, but as a United Kingdom can trade world worldwide, who will trade with Scotland?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Riley95

Of course it's different, in fact, Scotland leaving the UK is worse than the UK leaving the EU.

many people only voted to stay in the UK because they were promised Scotland would remain in the EU, and support for independence has now surged, so I think most scots disagree with you

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

many people only voted to stay in the UK because they were promised Scotland would remain in the EU, and support for independence has now surged, so I think most scots disagree with you

They can disagree, but if Nicola ensures Scotland that they can join the EU if they leave the UK, and they leave but Spain veto them joining, then Scotland are stuck in no mans land and may have to face the embarrassment of re joining England, Wales and Northern Ireland which hopefully would result in the sacking of Ms Sturgeon.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Greg!

many people only voted to stay in the UK because they were promised Scotland would remain in the EU, and support for independence has now surged, so I think most scots disagree with you

There's conflicting polling but what are polls, they got the general election wrong, they got the EU referendum wrong too.

It is time these organisations were controlled and polls banned in the week before polling and to issue a lot less of them too.

However the support for independence while not for sure yet over the 50% margin,has risen to just about that from average polling since the referendum.

You are correct too, as to Scotland believing they would remain in the EU if they rejected independence last time.
Again from the shocking polling,at the time of the referendum in Scotland, no party looked like having a hope of getting an overall majority in the election of May last year.
So no expectation in reality of a EU referendum was on the cards,also the Scots were told by English politicians and govt,that the best way to secure their future in the EU was to vote to stay in the UK.

Nicola is right, they were misled and indeed a 2nd independence is in order if the Scots want one.
She has a mandate for it, if there is a major change,she got 47% in the elections to Holyrood earlier this year and she also has the Greens who also supported another independence referendum, if a major change came about.

Honestly no wonder England voted to leave the EU,it cannot even stand its own other Nations in the UK,with some of the acidic comments made about Scotland.
Really awful, United kingdom, more like severely Disunited Kingdom,unless it appears all the rest of the UK follows only England's will.

[Johnnyuk123]

There are many people in the UK who say they are pro democracy until a vote doesn't go there way. The hypocrisy is real.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

There are many people in the UK who say they are pro democracy until a vote doesn't go there way. The hypocrisy is real.

Sad but true Johnny.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I can't tell you how sick I am of hearing this woman's voice. I am starting to believe if we'd heard a lot less from her during the campaign remain might have won!

On one hand she can't wait to get out of the UK on the other hand she wants to be ruled by the EU. Which makes no sense to me if you really do want to be independent. How are we supposed to feel any kind of affinity to someone who can't wait to see the back of us?

Too right i am and i have been ever since she graced the screen, wow the stylists have turned her from Mrs dumpling to Mrs Get right on yer ******in nerves . Piss off i'm mega totally sick of the bloody sight of you - nevermind the voice, dog with a bone, she's gonna make everyone hate the Scots if she don't shut up.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Too right i am and i have been ever since she graced the screen, wow the stylists have turned her from Mrs dumpling to Mrs Get right on yer ******in nerves . Piss off i'm mega totally sick of the bloody sight of you - nevermind the voice, dog with a bone, she's gonna make everyone hate the Scots if she don't shut up.

I think a good proportion of the English already hate the Scots (along with everyone else), so why not? England for the English, all Englandy with its Englishness in isolation. Bliss, surely?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think a good proportion of the English already hate the Scots (along with everyone else), so why not? England for the English, all Englandy with its Englishness in isolation. Bliss, surely?

There is that faction, yes but we're not all like that nor are we all the knuckle draggers telling people born here to 'go home'.
Let's not start putting entire nations in boxes

[chuff me dizzy]

She forgets over 1m voted to LEAVE,with only 67% bothering to even vote ........ She doesn't speak for the Scottish people

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

She forgets over 1m voted to LEAVE,with only 67% bothering to even vote ........ She doesn't speak for the Scottish people

How is that she should be taking notice of the 38% who voted leave,67% turnout is still better than the UK often gets in general elections to elect its whole government, it is two thirds of the population who are eligible to vote.

Why should it be that all anyone now has to do is accept in full with no other analysis,a very narrow 4% win for leave.

Had had this been a 4% win for remain, the cries for a further referendum would have been likely deafening from the leave side, in my view view rightly too, and the cause not given up on at all, they would be pointing to the fact that 2 Nations voted to leave too.

Nicola Sturgeon leads the Nation that had the biggest margin result in the referendum, a 24% majority to remain.
Of course as Scotland's leader she has to act on that.

The next highest margin result of this referendum, was Northern Ireland who voted by by a margin of 11% to remain.

The 2 weaker results came from Wales with a 5% majority to leave and in fact England with only a 6.8% majority to leave too.
England only carrying this because it is the larger populated Nation in the UK

This referendum has only opened up more divisions than it settled but no one please try to tell me had this been a 4% win for remain, that all sorts of arguments would not be coming forward from most on the leave side,particularly highlighting the fact 2 Nations had voted to leave too.

No one is saying England and Wales will not be leaving the EU, however if she can Nicola sturgeon has to do all she can from her result, to protect any status she can as to Scotland remaining in the EU.
That she owes to the clear and decisive 64% who voted to remain.

A narrow 4% win for leave with 2 Nations voting to remain, is not an overwhelming result, even Boris Johnson admits that.

Had this been reversed, the same division and doubt and analysis over the result would have been justified too in my opinion.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think a good proportion of the English already hate the Scots (along with everyone else), so why not? England for the English, all Englandy with its Englishness in isolation. Bliss, surely?

That's racism right there projected and real.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's racism right there projected and real.

Of course it is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's racism right there projected and real.

No, it really isn't.