[hot2go]

I think she is but I haven't seen any proof that Jason has lied yet only her word for it.

Tonight Jason clearly said they haven't been together for over four months and Charlie confirmed that when she agreed with him. So either she is lying or Natlaie was lying because Natalie said that Charlie had told her she had slept with Jason only three weeks before they entered BB.

Charlie said Jason had cheated two nights ago then tonight she said sorry to him because it wasn't true.

She also said at one point that she didn't know about his daughter and had to hear it from one of the other housemates ....yet she has already told us all that she found out about his daughter while they were still together.

Watching her tonight I feel truly sorry for Jason....why on earth is she cuddling him after the conversation they had just had....it's real Fatal Attraction time

[sam69.]

she needs help and if she thinks anyone on the outsides gonna take her now, shes nuts

[Jan S]

and there she is giving relationship advice to jackson and georgina

did you hear jason? 40 times (or was it 30, i think 40) times she's said she accepts it's over and then 2 days later she's back on it all again. guy needs a restraining order against her.

his natural basic kindness in offering evelyn a shirt he's never worn and would never wear suddenly becomes something huge in charley's head. she lies, says she knows it's a lie or if she's not sure can't prove it and then says he lies, she never does. tries to lay all manner of guilt trips on him... the stress he must be under keeping it all together in there will make him ill if he's not careful.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I think she is but I haven't seen any proof that Jason has lied yet only her word for it.

Tonight Jason clearly said they haven't been together for over four months and Charlie confirmed that when she agreed with him. So either she is lying or Natlaie was lying because Natalie said that Charlie had told her she had slept with Jason only three weeks before they entered BB.

Charlie said Jason had cheated two nights ago then tonight she said sorry to him because it wasn't true.

She also said at one point that she didn't know about his daughter and had to hear it from one of the other housemates ....yet she has already told us all that she found out about his daughter while they were still together.

Watching her tonight I feel truly sorry for Jason....why on earth is she cuddling him after the conversation they had just had....it's real Fatal Attraction time

Oh yes of the highest order - although she really believes in her own head that shes not .
Seriously how anyone could be attracted is beyond me , cos it could really be fatal.

[Maru]

She obviously has a complex relationship with the truth at times and ironically enough I don't think she actually intends to lie when she does. She also doesn't seem to remember her lies. She probably says things in the moment because she wants to believe it happened (like the cheating thing) or because she can't really compete win in a battle of egos with him.

She's taken the breakup personally instead of moving on and obviously this is not only embarrassing for her on national TV but that she has done things back home so she is trying quickly and haphazardly repair her image. Definitely 100% a drama queen and somewhat of a narcissist. I don't think it makes her a bad person, but this is not the environment to sort out her issues.

Jason is in over his head and is clumsy at best with his handling of her and it's just embarrassing now. They had to have been in a codependent relationship of some kind because he treats it like his responsibility to sort it out, not hers. Why can't he just accept it is for what it is, that he can't change what she will say and leave her to sort it out on her own? He obviously cares about her, but because it's a codependency he doesn't realize that what he is trying to repair is unrepairable.

Just my thought.

[azi]

I don't believe both of them.

[hot2go]

He's her problem. That doesn't mean he's wrong but he is her problem and she is turning to the problem to get help with it...it's never gonna happen...he can't help her, he's too personally connected to her.

[jaxie]

I don't know that she lies as much as the truth is whatever she thinks it is. I think she is self absorbed and deluded. She wants cuddles therefore Jason must want them when the fact is he doesn't want to go there.

Jason is clearly a kind man and completely out of his depth with her. He doesn't want in but he also doesnt want to hurt her.

[erinp5]

She is all over the shop she is an emotional wreck and very manipulative . She wants to talk with him but she wants to run the conversation , should he bring anything up she doesn't want to hear she starts to cry and claim he is the one making her time in the house difficult...then sometime later we see her go over to him and drape herself around his neck for a cuddle , like nothing happened, all is well again in Charlie's world....until Evelyn asks to wear a shirt ...then Charlie the loon reappears.

[Samm]

Charlie would never lie

[Zzz]

Seeing the way Charlie is I would believe Jason over Charlie anytime. It's so frustrating watching them. Why can't he just say piss off everytime she gets close to him. She obviously has problems and he's not helping her by accepting it and being nice. If you're actually nice you would try to help her. Like how can she like someone and treat them like that, her actions are so not right and someone needs to actually tell her to change that attitude.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by hot2go

He's her problem. That doesn't mean he's wrong but he is her problem and she is turning to the problem to get help with it...it's never gonna happen...he can't help her, he's too personally connected to her.

What?... I think we agree, but I'm not really sure.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

She obviously has a complex relationship with the truth at times and ironically enough I don't think she actually intends to lie when she does. She also doesn't seem to remember her lies. She probably says things in the moment because she wants to believe it happened (like the cheating thing) or because she can't really compete win in a battle of egos with him.

She's taken the breakup personally instead of moving on and obviously this is not only embarrassing for her on national TV but that she has done things back home so she is trying quickly and haphazardly repair her image. Definitely 100% a drama queen and somewhat of a narcissist. I don't think it makes her a bad person, but this is not the environment to sort out her issues.

Jason is in over his head and is clumsy at best with his handling of her and it's just embarrassing now. They had to have been in a codependent relationship of some kind because he treats it like his responsibility to sort it out, not hers. Why can't he just accept it is for what it is, that he can't change what she will say and leave her to sort it out on her own? He obviously cares about her, but because it's a codependency he doesn't realize that what he is trying to repair is unrepairable.

Just my thought.

...I've loved reading your thoughts this series, Maru.....and pretty much where my thoughts are as well...I think that she for the most part genuinely believes what she says at the time that she says it because she's too absorbed in her emotions in a very unhealthy way...and I don't think that she's a bad person at all but a very does have huge self-esteem issues which just shouldn't be played out in the BB house environment...it's not fair on her and it's not fair on Jason because he can't distance himself in there...for me, the whole thing is becoming far too uncomfortable to watch in the name of 'entertainment' and I feel so sad for them both...I agree also that it's becoming obvious that he does care about her and wants her to be happy and 'come to terms with'...?..but is just so lost as to what to do...because really, it's not in his control or power to do anything, whether it be in or outside of the house...as he is 'her obsession/fixation'..he's just not the one to 'fix her'..is the very last person who can help her atm really...it's so sad to see how much this strange relationship is damaging both of them.....

[sungrass]

I really want Charley evicted. I want her to watch the show and then be on BBOTs - the woman is so disattached from reality is scary - she is delusional.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Maru

What?... I think we agree, but I'm not really sure.

Not sure if we agree....but this is kinda what I meant....turning to Jason to make her feel better is like an alcoholic turning to Vodka.
Weather he is in the right or wrong, he is her problem so he can't possibly help her.
Locking her up in the house with Jason is like locking a drug addict up in Boots overnight. Only unlike a bottle of booze or a line of Coke, Jason is a human being and can see the pain she's in....what's the guy meant to do ? He really can't win.

[hot2go]

And like the guy said, BB created this mess...that's why he looks at the camera, he's imploring them to see what they've done and to intervene....and really, they should. It's not fare on either of them and is becoming uncomfortable to watch.