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Old 02-07-2016, 07:53 PM #51
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Funny how debates with Remainiacs always turn into insults isn't it. Keep shouting racist and xenephobe because that worked out so well for you guys
Nobody is actually calling ALL leavers racist. It's been said plenty of times that, while a large portion of leave voters probably voted for racist reasons, not all of them did.

It's funny how it's people like you that are tarring yourself with the racist brush and becoming ultra defensive over nothing.
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over 51 percent voted leave, and Im one of them who voted out, so remember, don't blame me, bunch of lefties, they should get their bums out of bed and earn a living, not expect the state to throw money at them,
So anyone who voted Remain is also a 'scrounger' in your eyes? Strange leap (and lack) of logic there.
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Err...in case you hadn't noticed, my post about racists and xenophobes was a sarcastic response to your post which tarred all those who are pro-EU with the same brush:



So again you are contradicting yourself. Personally I think those calling leavers racists are shutting down a problem that's existed for years, but stereotype me and I'll stereotype you too.

I notice you didn't respond to my other post which had no insults, it can't be a debate if you didn't reply. Or did I prove you wrong?
..yeah those are my thoughts as well, Jack...screaming 'racist' will only make those prejudices/intolerances etc more defensive and so more hostile as well and will solve nothing at all ...but just make it less possible for those prejudices to be diminished in any way...these prejudices haven't arisen from any decisions to have a referendum or the result of it..it's just showing it's face more now, rather than trying to conceal itself by some...but the thought process of Brexiters being mostly racist/xenophobic is a similar generalisation to football fans as being as being thought of as 'hooligans', when with both it's only a tiny percentage, I feel... that small percentage though is no consolation or comfort to anyone who has felt racism as a direct link to Brexit/Remain..and sadly many people have, as has been reported...it's now as you say, not shutting that revealed face down by shouting at it but dealing with the issue as 'problems' like this have a way of gathering and growing extroadinarily quickly in 'depression' times and times of uncertainty like we are in now....
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Young people protesting a democratic result that will take them out of an undemocratic union. Whatever crap their college professors are pouring into their ears it seems to be working.
lol so true. Ive notied the left dont actually have conversations anymore they just scream and shout and march and abuse, how sad, how undemocratic, how profoundly dumb and ineffective.
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Someone's always marching through London dragging their grievance behind them.
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Someone's always marching through London dragging their grievance behind them.


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Nobody is actually calling ALL leavers racist. It's been said plenty of times that, while a large portion of leave voters probably voted for racist reasons, not all of them did.

It's funny how it's people like you that are tarring yourself with the racist brush and becoming ultra defensive over nothing.
I was called a xenophobe on this forum for saying I found Nicola Sturgeon's voice annoying. I promise I didn't tar myself.
People are throwing round certain words in relation to disagreements over the referendum and we can't sanitise it and say those who voted leave are too sensitive or remainers wouldn't do that.

Re the march, the people who marched are exercising their democratic right and in democracy that means they are entitled to go up to town, shout a bit and have a picnic because things didn't go their way. While I may think it's a bit whiney and agree with someone on here who said they are marching to remain in an undemocratic club. We are very lucky to live in a country where we are able to do things like that.
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screaming @ 'fascists'

The only term that absurd phrase could be directed at is those who believe anyone who's fearful at the result should put up and shut up because 'democracy* has spoken'. No, democracy works both ways. You got your wish, now allow those who are worried about what this means for the working people of this country to speak out about those who are about to be abused by a hardline Tory right government without the protection of several laws enshrined under the European Union (something which has still not been addressed by anyone pleased with the result).

* 52% of 72% of the electorate
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That video is incredibly disturbing.
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Nobody is actually calling ALL leavers racist. It's been said plenty of times that, while a large portion of leave voters probably voted for racist reasons, not all of them did.

It's funny how it's people like you that are tarring yourself with the racist brush and becoming ultra defensive over nothing.
Jack just said all outers are racist and xenophobic, which will inclede people on the forum, myself included...why no ban? Why is the post still showing?
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Jack just said all outers are racist and xenophobic, which will inclede people on the forum, myself included...why no ban? Why is the post still showing?
As I've already said, that was a sarcastic riposte to Tom's insinuation that all the pro-EU protesters are 'Goldman Sachs lobbyists'. Should he be banned too?

Are you immune to sarcasm or did you just not read the thread properly? That's a common problem on TiBB
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That video is incredibly disturbing.
On more than one level, I'm afraid. The threats of an irrational bully who is vexed because a democratic 'Referendum' decision has not gone her way, even though she is pig ignorant of the facts of the issue which was the crux of that Referendum.

Couldn't happen on Tibb though.... Err, hang on a mo.
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She didn't do herself any favours, she should have just walked on
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So she turns up to an organised protest of people speaking out about the fears they have since Britain voted to leave the EU with a 'leave' poster and expects to receive a warm welcome?

Do I agree with the woman saying she needed to leave and take her poster down? No, that would be undemocratic. But do I agree that the woman shouldn't be allowed to criticise her for turning up to a protest she's not in support of? No, because that would also be undemocratic. So you end up with a pointless stalemate that goes nowhere.

Those who were protesting yesterday have every right to and people calling them 'undemocratic' have no sense of irony whatsoever, but as much as the other woman is allowed to turn up and proclaim her dislike of the cause, she has to expect criticism since she's a small minority who has appeared at an organised protest for a cause she doesn't believe in...it's pretty stupid, no? She knew what she was getting into, so there's nothing to see here.
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As I've already said, that was a sarcastic riposte to Tom's insinuation that all the pro-EU protesters are 'Goldman Sachs lobbyists'. Should he be banned too?

Are you immune to sarcasm or did you just not read the thread properly? That's a common problem on TiBB
Just stinks when i get banned for sarcastically referring to someones sexuality after they called me a troll..anyway, i didnt report you cause i aint like that..just find it very clique amd unfair when certain people get away with stuff that others don't.
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So she turns up to an organised protest of people speaking out about the fears they have since Britain voted to leave the EU with a 'leave' poster and expects to receive a warm welcome?

Do I agree with the woman saying she needed to leave and take her poster down? No, that would be undemocratic. But do I agree that the woman shouldn't be allowed to criticise her for turning up to a protest she's not in support of? No, because that would also be undemocratic. So you end up with a pointless stalemate that goes nowhere.

Those who were protesting yesterday have every right to and people calling them 'undemocratic' have no sense of irony whatsoever, but as much as the other woman is allowed to turn up and proclaim her dislike of the cause, she has to expect criticism since she's a small minority who has appeared at an organised protest for a cause she doesn't believe in...it's pretty stupid, no? She knew what she was getting into, so there's nothing to see here.
So i suppose the physical assault by a man at the very beginning of the clip by ripping her placard from her hand was ok as well
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That video is incredibly disturbing.
Disturbing but hardly surprising. They are an intolerant mob.
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lol so true. Ive notied the left dont actually have conversations anymore they just scream and shout and march and abuse, how sad, how undemocratic, how profoundly dumb and ineffective.
I agree. The funniest signs I saw at the demonstration were "We are the 48%". In their minds that makes them entitled to get their way.
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..I'm not condoning how the Remain lady behaved in the protest../very grim...but watching it made me think that, that's probably how the ethnic minorities are made to feel and have been made to feel so many times...'you don't belong here/go away' type thing.....ironic though, that she mentioned that herself and accused of voting along with racism, while doing something similar herself really...it's also worrying that neither lady when questioned seemed to really know what their vote had been for../their reasoning behind it etc...this has been the huge thing, really...
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