[dyfed]

Originally Posted by Jan S

i'd have liked to have heard what jason wanted to say to hughie before chelsea had to shoehorn himself into the situation

Me too, bloody Chelsea always got to poke his nose in...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jan S

i'd have liked to have heard what jason wanted to say to hughie before chelsea had to shoehorn himself into the situation

Yes, this may have made a bit more sense of the situation.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jan S

i'd have liked to have heard what jason wanted to say to hughie before chelsea had to shoehorn himself into the situation

Yes me too,I think it could have been likely defused somewhat.

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Me too, bloody Chelsea always got to poke his nose in...

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes, this may have made a bit more sense of the situation.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes me too,I think it could have been likely defused somewhat.

to be fair, he'd have probably only gotten a few words out before charlie interupted him and made it all about her

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This for me, well observed I would say.

Andy had a very strong point indeed but made too much of it,however in that house everything remotely possibly offensive,even in a small way,must get magnified.

It was made far worse by Hughie's more verbal reaction and then too with Chelsea sticking his nose in again too.
Add in to that Laura too for her rushing to tittle tattle.

Any controversial issue would get exploded out of all proportion with all that many people getting in on it.

Wait isn't that really unfair to Laura?

Andy ran and told Jason twice now and he's been defended on here tooth and nail as being a good friend even though he actually lied once.

Laura does the same after spineless Andy does what he claims he never does (bitching behind people's backs instead of confronting them) and she's a tattle tail?

One rule for her and another for Andy?

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Wait isn't that really unfair to Laura?

Andy ran and told Jason twice now and he's been defended on here tooth and nail as being a good friend even though he actually lied once.

Laura does the same after spineless Andy does what he claims he never does (bitching behind people's backs instead of confronting them) and she's a tattle tail?

One rule for her and another for Andy?

This.

[Greg!]

No he wasn't. He's just one of these people that actively tries to find something to be offended by to get attention. Hughie and Ryan weren't making a mockery of gay rights, it was literally just a friendly joke

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Andy is absolutely right,hughie & Rylan should be ashamed to make a mockery of same sex marriage,when so many have suffered injustice,

I COULDNT disagree more dyfed. They were having a laugh which is something Andy is incapable of. He was totally wrong tonight. Both Ryan and Hughie are gay men they like each other they may or may not have a relationship outside the house but they were just playing a prank. Andy needs to lighten the f u ck up

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Completely agree. I definitely feel like they've been taking the piss out of Andy a lot more than we've been shown as well. Nearly all of them felt bad for him. The contrast to the housemates reaction to the forums is completely the opposite, so yeah, i think theres more to it as well

this :nods:

Originally Posted by Drew.

I'm not saying he hasn't embarrassed himself, his reaction wasn't warranted. But what he said made sense, it just wasn't said at an appropriate time.

in that madhouse, with those people, there was NEVER going to be an appropriate time. it's hughie and ryan, shallow as a puddle but their ''joke'' was aimed AT andy for airtime and they wouldn't have even realised that what they were saying/doing was offensive for other reasons. andy definitely needs to step back and let others be what they are (to a large extent) because he can't get everyone to see what's right in front of their eyes. as this forum and BBBoTs illustrates to a T.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I kind of get what Andy was saying and his boyfriend hadn't long left him,so he was probably feeling a bit down anyway,so what was a joke didn't go down that way to him.

:nods:

[dyfed]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I COULDNT disagree more dyfed. They were having a laugh which is something Andy is incapable of. He was totally wrong tonight. Both Ryan and Hughie are gay men they like each other they may or may not have a relationship outside the house but they were just playing a prank. Andy needs to lighten the f u ck up

I guess I have to lighten up too😍 It's such a sensitive subject .

[StephenPullen]

Erm, no. I think it's disgusting that someone is trying to use these issues to further their time on a reality TV show.

[arista]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Andy is absolutely right,hughie & Rylan should be ashamed to make a mockery of same sex marriage,when so many have suffered injustice,

NO


Hughie is so much younger


ANDY is like a Gay Political copper


No one can employ him now
TOXIC


the BBC were correct to SACK him

[Ammi]

..what is in the right, I think...is that Hughie being from a travelling community and being homosexual will most likely have given him some very real experiences of prejudices/'suppression' etc...and that he has a right to express himself in the way that he chooses to without sanctimonious ol Andy dictating what is and isn't a joke...

[Ammi]

...well done Hughie though for trying to be so tolerant of his ignorance.....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what is in the right, I think...is that Hughie being from a travelling community and being homosexual will most likely have given him some very real experiences of prejudices/'suppression' etc...and that he has a right to express himself in the way that he chooses to without sanctimonious ol Andy dictating what is and isn't a joke...

I am not Aware of This FACT

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what is in the right, I think...is that Hughie being from a travelling community and being homosexual will most likely have given him some very real experiences of prejudices/'suppression' etc...and that he has a right to express himself in the way that he chooses to without sanctimonious ol Andy dictating what is and isn't a joke...

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[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what is in the right, I think...is that Hughie being from a travelling community and being homosexual will most likely have given him some very real experiences of prejudices/'suppression' etc...and that he has a right to express himself in the way that he chooses to without sanctimonious ol Andy dictating what is and isn't a joke...

So does Andy when someone who has harassed him days earlier mocks him.
The 'he proposed', followed by the kiss, the ring - all done to send up Andy and Ed. Everyone else can be 'human' and do their thing, but Andy isn't allowed any frailties. Even people who come across as superior to some have feelings and they hurt as much as anyone else. Harassing him and making fun of him isn't justified in the least.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

So does Andy when someone who has harassed him days earlier mocks him.
The 'he proposed', followed by the kiss, the ring - all done to send up Andy and Ed. Everyone else can be 'human' and do their thing, but Andy isn't allowed any frailties. Even people who come across as superior to some have feelings and they hurt as much as anyone else. Harassing him and making fun of him isn't justified in the least.

..(sorry Jet, I hope this doesn't appear blunt because it's honestly not meant to but just rushed for time with work etc..)...

..I think that it was as Hughie said and 'banter' but I do agree that it wasn't really appropriate/ill-timed/tactless etc and an air-time attention seeking thing as well...did they think about all of the prejudices against homosexuals and the wrongs done to them in their actions..?...well no, because we don't do we with actions like theirs...there is no thought is the point...(other than airtime..)...but inappropriate/ill-timed/tactless does not deserve what he laid at their door or tried to in talking about the most extremes of prejudices ..that was just pretty grim and cruel, I think...(and I also think that it was aimed intentionally in it's cruelty..)...I'm sure that he is very passionate about gay struggles, that's obviously genuine but I don't think that him bringing it into play when he did and in the way that he did was genuine at all tbh...and I also think that how he behaved was far more cruel, if we use that word than their behaviour, was is not justifying theirs either...their actions did not deserve what he said for me....

..also he is allowed 'frailties' of course...but the thing is Jet, is that he doesn't seem to allow them so much in others..(I think..)..the reason for his words were quite personal at feeling mocked...which is understandable yeah ..but he had only recently pointed out that other housemates were acting more with resentment rather than for 'the good of the group and shopping budget', with the 2nd visits from partners...which was also an understandable thing...and we're a harsh crowd, Jet.....if you set yourself up like that in judgement of others and their feelings being more 'self' and resentment, then we're going to be at your door baby when you do something similar yourself...I think he was annoyed/hurt etc for himself and feeling mocked which I totally understand that many people would be but maybe learn something from that Andy, when you judge others..?...

..I also didn't like how he closed Hughie down by making his statement but then saying...'can we leave it at that'..and denying Hughie his voice when Hughie was obviously upset ..obviously, Hughie never likes to leave it at that so still tried to talk but Andy just spoke over him...for me, again that was saying that what he said was quite intentional in gameplan, that he had no intention of discussing it because why not take that opportunity to talk with Hughie and Ryan about something that he felt so passionate about..I mean as a journalist, his bag is to relay information etc..open up discussions, not to close them down...I was really proud of Hughie actually, the way he went up to the pebble room and asked Andy to come inside because they needed to talk....I wasn't sure if he was going to shout..'oi you..'..but he didn't, he really showed a maturity there...so t'was a shame that Andy wasn't interested in that communication because communication is very much listening as well...not just 'laying your facts' and then walking away and 'leaving it at that..'....


...anyways, I think I said earlier..(I can't recall if I did..)...I don't think it was so much an OTT thing/reaction but more a very contrived one but a very cruel one to lay at the door because I'm not dismissing his performance to camera at the end....smiling and kissing his ring and talking his thoughts OUT LOUD to camera...something that is always designed for the viewer and for an audience and never genuine....




..you have a good day btw.....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..(sorry Jet, I hope this doesn't appear blunt because it's honestly not meant to but just rushed for time with work etc..)...

..I think that it was as Hughie said and 'banter' but I do agree that it wasn't really appropriate/ill-timed/tactless etc and an air-time attention seeking thing as well...did they think about all of the prejudices against homosexuals and the wrongs done to them in their actions..?...well no, because we don't do we with actions like theirs...there is no thought is the point...(other than airtime..)...but inappropriate/ill-timed/tactless does not deserve what he laid at their door or tried to in talking about the most extremes of prejudices ..that was just pretty grim and cruel, I think...(and I also think that it was aimed intentionally in it's cruelty..)...I'm sure that he is very passionate about gay struggles, that's obviously genuine but I don't think that him bringing it into play when he did and in the way that he did was genuine at all tbh...and I also think that how he behaved was far more cruel, if we use that word than their behaviour, was is not justifying theirs either...their actions did not deserve what he said for me....

..also he is allowed 'frailties' of course...but the thing is Jet, is that he doesn't seem to allow them so much in others..(I think..)..the reason for his words were quite personal at feeling mocked...which is understandable yeah ..but he had only recently pointed out that other housemates were acting more with resentment rather than for 'the good of the group and shopping budget', with the 2nd visits from partners...which was also an understandable thing...and we're a harsh crowd, Jet.....if you set yourself up like that in judgement of others and their feelings being more 'self' and resentment, then we're going to be at your door baby when you do something similar yourself...I think he was annoyed/hurt etc for himself and feeling mocked which I totally understand that many people would be but maybe learn something from that Andy, when you judge others..?...

..I also didn't like how he closed Hughie down by making his statement but then saying...'can we leave it at that'..and denying Hughie his voice when Hughie was obviously upset ..obviously, Hughie never likes to leave it at that so still tried to talk but Andy just spoke over him...for me, again that was saying that what he said was quite intentional in gameplan, that he had no intention of discussing it because why not take that opportunity to talk with Hughie and Ryan about something that he felt so passionate about..I mean as a journalist, his bag is to relay information etc..open up discussions, not to close them down...I was really proud of Hughie actually, the way he went up to the pebble room and asked Andy to come inside because they needed to talk....I wasn't sure if he was going to shout..'oi you..'..but he didn't, he really showed a maturity there...so t'was a shame that Andy wasn't interested in that communication because communication is very much listening as well...not just 'laying your facts' and then walking away and 'leaving it at that..'....


...anyways, I think I said earlier..(I can't recall if I did..)...I don't think it was so much an OTT thing/reaction but more a very contrived one but a very cruel one to lay at the door because I'm not dismissing his performance to camera at the end....smiling and kissing his ring and talking his thoughts OUT LOUD to camera...something that is always designed for the viewer and for an audience and never genuine....




..you have a good day btw.....

No Ammi, not blunt at all, always good to read your thoughts.

I think that at the time of the fake ‘proposal’ Andy must have had a lot of turbulent emotions going around in his head. - In his noms this week he said that for a few weeks he’d felt ‘under siege’ from Hughie and it made him feel under attack. I think the reason some of the others were so supportive of him when it happened was because they had witnessed this and understood his frustration.
He also said from early on Laytesha has made him feel not part of the group etc, misunderstood, and when he tries to explain his actions to her she isn’t receptive etc. So whatever we think, this is how he feels. All that must have hurt, and I don’t think Andy is good at expressing or admitting personal hurt to a person directly. He stiffens up and becomes controlled and aloof. He’d probably love to let rip like Hughie and get it all out but that isn’t him. He doesn’t like to show his vulnerabilities.
So when Hughie and Ryan were mocking him (and I do think they planned it, I don’t think Hughie is as innocent as he lets on to be, he's a clever little game player imo) Andy cracked. All the personal hurts came together but as he always resists losing control with personal issues, all his frustration was directed into an issue that he knows how to get angry about in safety - gay rights. He unconsciously took the personal issue away from himself and into a wider sphere of hurt - and something he genuinely feels passionate about. I don't think he planned it in the least. I do the same myself - I can be seething about something but don't want to confront it so i divert onto something else. I don’t even know I’m doing that but my better half has made me realize I do. Women eh? They know us better than we know ourselves.

[jyunga]

The whole point is that LGBT people have/are dying for the right to express their sexuality the same as heterosexuals. Andy is pretty much ****ting on Hughie and Ryan for doing exactly what LGBT are fighting so hard for. They should be able to make jokes about their sexuality or about marriage or about whatever else they want to do without being hated against. Andy is an over-sensitive tool looking for more air-time.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jyunga

The whole point is that LGBT people have/are dying for the right to express their sexuality the same as heterosexuals. Andy is pretty much ****ting on Hughie and Ryan for doing exactly what LGBT are fighting so hard for. They should be able to make jokes about their sexuality or about marriage or about whatever else they want to do without being hated against. Andy is an over-sensitive tool looking for more air-time.

..yeah, this exactly, jyunga.....Andy can't have his gay rights/struggles cake and eat it either...he said on National TV that he wasn't keen on his engagement ring so unless he's extremely heartless and insensitive, which I doubt..?...then I'm assuming that, that was a joke/what he perceived as a jokey remark..but that ring was soooooooooooooooooooo, representative, wasn't it...not a thing to be joked about...the rules and the world according to Andy, it seems..that he will decide the humour and on his own terms...


....hmmmm, in getting quite serious and deep though...the 49 people who were recently killed in Orlando..?...were they spending their time in that nightclub, joking/laughing/dancing/singing etc..and having the right to do so and having gone through struggles to do so and having overcome prejudices to do so../to be themselves ...I would guess they were and not abiding by the rules and world according to Andy and pondering on darker aspects...

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Andy is absolutely right,hughie & Rylan should be ashamed to make a mockery of same sex marriage,when so many have suffered injustice,

Totally agree with you. As a Gay man our rights are hard won and to mock them is outrageous. Shame on Ryan and Hughie. Well done Andy a man of principle.

[sampvt]

He played the gay rights card because the kids stole his thunder and he threw his rattle out of the pram. The stoning thing was damage limitation and the rest was just him menstruating again

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Andy is absolutely right,hughie & Rylan should be ashamed to make a mockery of same sex marriage,when so many have suffered injustice,

oh give over.

he made a right fool of himself and he himself has probably set all things gay back about five years with his jealous outburst.

In fact his engagement would probably cause more people to be stoned to death than hughie and ryan joking about theirs.

the blokes a complete tool who thinks it's ok to sit disecting everyone elses personality or intelligence but lo and behold anyone who dares have an opinion on his.

hypocrite of the highest order about gossips and talking behind peoples backs as well, took him 2 seconds to gossip with his beau about laura and bacardo though..

we see nothing but a journalist, not a person, a journalist..the wanky kind as well.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by parmnion

In fact his engagement would probably cause more people to be stoned to death than hughie and ryan joking about theirs.

That surely has to be one of the most ridiculous things i've ever seen posted on this forum..........and i've seen some pretty ridiculous **** posted on here over the years!

Who exactly will be stoning who to death where because Andy got engaged on Big Brother ?