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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not try to 'belittle' any rise in hate crime - and neither does LT from what I can see - but what we are both saying, is:

1. How many of the largely unchecked and uncheckable reports of hate crime are genuine? Because without knowing this, the figures are meaningless, and it is not 'reaching' to entertain the possibility that certain political factions may have seized this opportunity to discredit Brexit.

2. Is there any irrefutable PROOF that any rise in racism has been CAUSED by the Brexit decision? Because my logic decrees that it is far more likely that a 'Remain' decision would have triggered any racists to vent their frustration by attacking or abusing 'Foreigners'.

In any event, I find it baffling when ALL the facts and figures which I have posted showing the REAL negative data of our 42 year membership of the EU is readily dismissed as 'meaningless' but less verifiable data is held up as Gospel simply because that data dovetails with certain views.

I couldn't care how many of them are genuine or not, I do not however think people go to the Police with this lightly.
I have overheard myself some things I am disgusted with.
Also I made no reverence to anyone directly either.
What has 42 years in the EU now got to do with people becoming victims of racism, xenophobia and suffering intimidation and death threats at this time.

MPs are saying their surgeries have had people coming fearful for their future safety and being told to get out of the Country.

I again mention we had an MP stabbed to death and shot for her stand for refugees,I mentioned other MPs too, one who has had so bad as to death threats she is giving up her career in politics.

Go and talk to an MP like Anna Soubry and others, who will relay the disgusting and hateful things they have seen and heard during the referendum campaign and since.

The fact the police are getting a significant rise in the reporting of these hate incidents and that they will be investigating them leaves me to believe they take them very seriously.

How does one know when a hate threat or death threat is genuine, who knows, however if someone can be shown to have made them, then they deserve all that comes to them.

That's what should be done, or do some just want to sit back and just wait for more innocent people to be accosted, attacked, stabbed and shot as the MP was before it's said, 'oh yes, there may be something worse going on now'.