[Headie]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

This can you just watch BBUS and leave the superior format be.

Agreed

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I don't understand how it's better, the housemates are the one's who put the big characters up for eviction in the first place. Not having the public vote isn't going to stop that.

Because evictions will then be based on merit, as opposed to because someone dared to speak in an episode or because they're unlucky enough to be a woman.

Evictions don't always go my way under the US format either, but if you are evicted it is generally speaking through your own doing because your social game wasn't strong enough and you underplayed. That is far fairer than whatever bull**** the British voting public come up with as a means to evict you, and I can stomach the losses of my favourites much more.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

lol a format based on evicting people for speaking and being unfortunate enough to have a fanny, interspersed by messy and inconsistent nomination 'twists' is by no means superior

The messy twists are nothing to do with the format though?? It's production that needs to change for the show to improve, there's no need to rip up an iconic TV show format that's been on TV for 17 years

[Amy Jade]

I can't see them doing that - they'll want the income from the phone votes but I can totally see Greg and Armands point that if people prefer that format it's the one used in most formats you can watch and leave those that enjoy the UK one to enjoy it etc

The announcement of the public vote has given us some iconic moments too like Deana and Becky beating Arron or Sezer getting the boot. Even this year Marco's reaction was hilarious!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

BBUS format in the UK would be awful because the UK housemates don't think the way the BBUS/CAN housemates think. With a BBUS format in the UK amazing housemates like Deana, Ashleigh, etc would have been evicted due to being disliked by the house instead of for tactical reasons, and they wouldn't have been able to have been saved by the public and therefore have amazing moments like ABCD? Stories like that would have just ended with Deana being sent home whilst her enemy and the villain Conor stayed due to being popular with the house.

There's an argument that playing personally is the best and most entertaining way to utilise the US format (which is what would definitely happen with a bunch of messy Brits) and part of me agrees so anyone worrying about a lack of entertainment wouldn't have anything to worry about, in fact I think it may actually enhance it in more ways than one. As a side note it's weird that the producers are always seeking to incite drama these days and love face to face noms and here's a format which literally encapsulates that and they ignore it

Also you are forgetting that in order to evict someone you have to win power under the US rules and dare I say people like Ashleigh and Deana would've definitely had multiple competition wins under their belt, so your pessimistic outlook of how things would go down isn't entirely true

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Because evictions will then be based on merit, as opposed to because someone dared to speak in an episode or because they're unlucky enough to be a woman.

Evictions don't always go my way under the US format either, but if you are evicted it is generally speaking through your own doing because your social game wasn't strong enough and you underplayed. That is far fairer than whatever bull**** the British voting public come up with as a means to evict you, and I can stomach the losses of my favourites much more.

So by that logic, based on merit the likes of Sam and Alex deserve to be there more because they've played the game better unlike the likes of Andy and Jayne who would be out this week had BB not added some twists in

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I hope this is the case, I don't really care I just hate the UK format. It's getting awful and I just want to see people win HOH, slit some throats(not actually do that but a BBUSA/CAN fan will know what I'm saying) and make smart moves etc.

If you hate the format, then don't watch BBUK and watch BBUS instead?

[Jordan.]

If this series had been down to the housemates alone Natalie, Charlie, Chelsea, maybe Marco and Jayne and Andy would be out. How is that any better than the public vote?

[Amy Jade]

Good point, Jayne would have been out 2 or 3 weeks ago when she got 10 noms under the US rule

[MB.]

Personally I think all evictions should be decided via the medium of a Lip Sync for Your Life

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

leave those that enjoy the UK one to enjoy it etc

Originally Posted by Jason.

If you hate the format, then don't watch BBUK and watch BBUS instead?

ugh this is such a stupid argument and it needs to stop being recited

I like the premise of Big Brother itself and that is why I watch multiple versions. I prefer however the format that is used in the US and Canada and think it should be adopted here because it's superior and would enhance the show and freshen it up. Plus I want to watch Brits playing under that format because I'm pretty sure it would be hilariously messy, and I want to be given an opportunity to apply for it myself

Again, why if I and others like a format that's used on an international incarnation of a global TV show we enjoy, would we not want it used in our home nation's version? Why would we choose to have two versions when we could have three?

Originally Posted by Jordan.

So by that logic, based on merit the likes of Sam and Alex deserve to be there more because they've played the game better unlike the likes of Andy and Jayne who would be out this week had BB not added some twists in

It's pointless using the current series under the current BBUK format to speculate about things like that since our version isn't set up properly for people to play games (certainly not ones that require any skill, more counterproductive ones) and in fact they're actively discouraged by both internal house politics and the viewing public. There's no way of telling who would and wouldn't be entertaining under different circumstances, and also I judge people completely differently under UK rules (who contributes the most) compared to US ones (who I subjectively like as people/find entertaining) so such a question can't really be answered

If in an alternative universe these housemates were competing under US rules however and Alex and Sam were playing well enough that they weren't evicted while Andy and Jayne weren't, then yes, that would be based on merit as opposed to whatever BS the public voters had come up with and is far fairer. If they were still dull and outlasted bigger characters then yes I'd still be annoyed as I am now when I watch BBUS and BBCan, but I can stomach their evictions far better because I know for the most part it is their own doing rather than being guilty of something moronic like speaking in an episode or out of their hands like not having a penis

[Ross.]

what if I like both versions

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Ross.

what if I like both versions

Then watch Big Brother Canada

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If this series had been down to the housemates alone Natalie, Charlie, Chelsea, maybe Marco and Jayne and Andy would be out. How is that any better than the public vote?

You cannot guarantee that at all, because people are forgetting that to gain control over who's at risk of being evicted, you have to win power. There's absolutely no reason why people like Charlie, Marco and Andy certainly couldn't win a few HoH's or PoV's to secure their and their friends positions

So too is their no guarantee that all of the housemates would target these people for the same reasons they are now. Would Jayne be a threat to anyone under US rules? Not really

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Good point, Jayne would have been out 2 or 3 weeks ago when she got 10 noms under the US rule

But under different rules you cannot guarantee the exact same house dynamics would exist. Sure, as I keep saying I expect most Brits would play personally and as viewers we'd be rewarded for it, but there would inevitably be some who altered the way they conducted themselves in the house to try and further themselves (including Jayne), and may be perceptible enough to know someone like her wouldn't be a competition threat in any way whatsoever and shouldn't be targeted

[MB.]

(I'd intended to post an image of Christine Kelsey instead there, but I'm sure a little bit of self-promotion won't hurt)

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ross.

what if I like both versions

Then that's fine (personally idk why anyone would like the BBUK one but each to their own) and you can argue they should stay the same, but those who prefer one over the other are perfectly entitled to say that they think we should adopt their rules without being stupidly told to 'just watch BBUS'. I watch Big Brother cause I like Big Brother, and if I prefer another version's format of course I'm going to think it should be implemented over here so that I have three versions of it to watch as opposed to two

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If this series had been down to the housemates alone Natalie, Charlie, Chelsea, maybe Marco and Jayne and Andy would be out. How is that any better than the public vote?

I don't like the way this is going. This thread sucks

[Oaker]

If you think the format sucks then stop watching .

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'll repost this from another thread bc it's still relevant

The cultures of reality TV in North America and elsewhere are way too solidified for any radical changes to be made at this point. You can't undo a decade and a half of history just because of what other countries are doing. Everything in the US (and Canada) is a reaction to Richard Hatch winning Survivor, and everything in the UK is a reaction to Nasty Nick getting expelled at Craig winning. If BBUK let the HMs discuss nominations and actively play the game, not only would the general public not respond well to it but the HMs really wouldn't know what to do. Just rewatch the first week of BB13 and see how that went.

And even so, if you like the BBUS format just watch BBUS and BBCan. If you like the BBUK format, just watch BBUK and CBB and BBAU I don't think one format is inherently better than the other, but I will say that I think the best seasons of BBUK are better than the best BBUS seasons.

I also think BBCan is growing a little stale and has lost the magic from the first two seasons, but that's for another discussion.

[Oaker]

Also everytime theres been an eviction without a public vote/housemates have been allowed to discuss nominations the viewers kick off and say they hate it.. how on earth do you think a series of that would work?

[Lostie!]

The fact is that there are two different versions with the US format already and converting the UK show to that format would leave those who aren't interested in that with nothing since BBAU doesn't run anymore.

Also it just wouldn't go down well with the general viewership whatsoever. Switching formats wouldn't rejuvenate the show as some think, it would be the final nail in the coffin.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Oaker

If you think the format sucks then stop watching .

I don't know how many more times I'm going to have to repeat it before people pay attention or start reading threads properly, but I watch Big Brother because I enjoy the premise of Big Brother itself. I happen to prefer one version's format over another, but that does not negate the former statement in any way shape or form, so no I'm not going to stop watching a show I've been viewing since I was 10. I do however think it could be improved, and am entitled to say why

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I'll repost this from another thread bc it's still relevant

the bit about only watching certain versions is entirely irrelevant but as for the rest, yes it's true that it may not go down very well with viewers but at this point BBUK is on its last legs and no doubt with C5 at the helm on the brink of the axe. They try and ~change it up~ every year with a multitude of nonsense twists and themes that amount to nothing ('the game is changing' FFS I mean if there were a more suitable time to trial this it would've been this year) so what would be the harm in giving a consistent, new (in UK terms) format a trial run for one series? There is literally nothing to lose and everything to gain at this point

And while non public vote evictions haven't gone down well in the past, the latest series of Love Island which has become incredibly popular and outperformed BBUK on a number of occasions had very little public votes that directly determined who was eliminated, most of them were the result of internal recouplings and votes, so I don't think the public are entirely opposed to the idea...and you will never truly know unless you try!

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

The fact is that there are two different versions with the US format already and converting the UK show to that format would leave those who aren't interested in that with nothing since BBAU doesn't run anymore.

Also it just wouldn't go down well with the general viewership whatsoever. Switching formats wouldn't rejuvenate the show as some think, it would be the final nail in the coffin.

I agree. I think the involvement of the public is one of the last things keeping the show going.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I agree. I think the involvement of the public is one of the last things keeping the show going.

There are plenty of ways to keep the public involved though and still implement the US format, you just create a hybrid. It's a compromise I'd be perfectly happy with and it would go some way to keeping revenue for Endemol and C5 which I'm sure they don't want to give up, and giving the viewers some influence

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There are plenty of ways to keep the public involved though and still implement the US format, you just create a hybrid. It's a compromise I'd be perfectly happy with and it would go some way to keeping revenue for Endemol and C5 which I'm sure they don't want to give up, and giving the viewers some influence

It's just not realistic. The show has been this way for 16 years and taking away the publics ultimate power wont go down as well as you're assuming it will.