[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I mean she was right and she was a better housemate but I still don't understand people being criticised for gameplaying on a gameshow (both in the house and by viewers)

Like...logic?!?!

He got pissed off when accused of game playing though, if he had been unfront I'd have likely supported him playing the game but the fact he made Charlie hated and let his 'best mate' get into arguments over being called exactly what he is makes me believe he has no morals.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

User banned

I rarely celebrate somebody getting banned but thank god!

(anyone else think Guy was Mojo btw)

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I think the issue is him pretending he was holier than thou and making Charlie look bad when in fact she was right. If he was a self admitted gameplayer from the start like Andrew I would respect him more for it.

But then to be fair if that's what it takes for him to succeed and he believes it can win him support and the show, then all power to him?

I understand criticisms of him as a housemate because he's been pretty crap and I agree Andrew was much more entertaining in being open about playing a game, but I still don't begrudge Jason if this is the way he's choosing to play it because it is just a gameshow at the end of the day. I just wish he was more entertaining with it (although tonight was pretty good TV)

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

He got pissed off when accused of game playing though, if he had been unfront I'd have likely supported him playing the game but the fact he made Charlie hated and let his 'best mate' get into arguments over being called exactly what he is makes me believe he has no morals.

Well of course he would be when he's living in a house (like all of the BBUK ones always are) where gameplaying on a gameshow is looked down upon as some evil and you're ostracised for it in deflecting that he's trying to cover his tracks which would be a part of his game, no?

I'm no fan of his as a housemate but Big Brother isn't a morality competition, it's a gameshow with a cash prize and if someone wants to play a game to try and win they should be entitled to. Criticising people for doing so is a bit silly IMO

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I rarely celebrate somebody getting banned but thank god!

(anyone else think Guy was Mojo btw)

It was he just made a new account and sent me an abusive PM LOL. Tragic af.

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well of course he would be when he's living in a house (like all of the BBUK ones always are) where gameplaying on a gameshow is looked down upon as some evil and you're ostracised for it in deflecting that he's trying to cover his tracks which would be a part of his game, no?

Not wanting to be seen as a game player is fine if you aren't one but trying to pretend you're not then being shocked when you outright do something that shows you to be one and everyone turns on you for it is kind of expected. If he didn't want to be found out as a game player then he should have really kept it up by evicting an easier option. You can't play it both ways and he's been trying to and in the end he's only gone and done what he didn't want and possibly ostracised himself anyway.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Not wanting to be seen as a game player is fine if you aren't one but trying to pretend you're not then being shocked when you outright do something that shows you to be one and everyone turns on you for it is kind of expected. If he didn't want to be found out as a game player then he should have really kept it up by evicting an easier option. You can't play it both ways and he's been trying to and in the end he's only gone and done what he didn't want and possibly ostracised himself anyway.

Oh I agree for the most part although not about Lateysha being an 'easy' decision, I thought it was quite a bold one - easy and predictable would've been Jayne, but my point is more specifically about the housemates and viewers criticising people for playing games on a gameshow. Criticise them as housemates and for how crap their games may be, but not for actually playing one - that is just silly

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh I agree for the most part although not about Lateysha being an 'easy' decision, I thought it was quite a bold one - easy and predictable would've been Jayne, but my point is more specifically about the housemates and viewers criticising people for playing games on a gameshow. Criticise them as housemates and for how crap their games may be, but not for actually playing one - that is just silly

Lateysha was an easy decision, you can tell he'd thought about it well beforehand and didn't struggle with it at all despite the conflict he'd been having the last few days. I think the housemates and the viewers in particular just don't like people pretending to be what they're not, by right you should have a game plan in Big Brother but you should be forthcoming about it to the viewers at least and you shouldn't make yourself out to be what you're not to your fellow housemates if you don't want to be caught out at some point because it's only gonna get you evicted anyway.

[Amy Jade]

I can and will continue to criticizes his crap game plan ty

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

It was he just made a new account and sent me an abusive PM LOL. Tragic af.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Lateysha was an easy decision, you can tell he'd thought about it well beforehand and didn't struggle with it at all despite the conflict he'd been having the last few days. I think the housemates and the viewers in particular just don't like people pretending to be what they're not, by right you should have a game plan in Big Brother but you should be forthcoming about it to the viewers at least and you shouldn't make yourself out to be what you're not to your fellow housemates if you don't want to be caught out at some point because it's only gonna get you evicted anyway.

It might've been easy for him but in the context of the house and indeed the show it was a shocking move that pissed a lot of people off, I can't imagine them having the same reaction had he evicted Jayne. He probably knew that too

But the housemates and the public need to realise that this is a gameshow and criticising people for playing games on a gameshow is quite moronic. I agree that he's exposed himself and clearly his strategy wasn't very well thought out or executed so he can't be playing a great game, that's not my point - it's more criticising the very act of a housemate playing a game on a gameshow that makes no sense. Not how good or bad it is, just the fact they have chosen to play a game.

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I can and will continue to criticizes his crap game plan ty

So you didn't actually read my post? *sigh* why is this such a problem on here

[Amy Jade]

I read it but I made my feelings abundantly clear elsewhere.

I actually like game players but his game was crap and he's a bore. If for instance he had gone into the diary room and gone damn they'be rumbled me I'd have thought that was great ngl but the fact he played it up and threw not only his ex but his only supporter under the bus makes me think he's not a good person at all. But I'm stupid what do I know.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I read it but I made my feelings abundantly clear elsewhere.

I actually like game players but his game was crap and he's a bore. If for instance he had gone into the diary room and gone damn they'be rumbled me I'd have thought that was great ngl but the fact he played it up and threw not only his ex but his only supporter under the bus makes me think he's not a good person at all. But I'm stupid what do I know.

...I agree with pretty much all of that and have said as much in this thread, so you can't have read it.

I've acknowledged he's a crap housemate and pretty dull. I said his game was exposed and he can't be playing a very good one. My point isn't that people can't criticise him as a housemate or the game he's playing (i.e. a crap one), more that criticising housemates for playing a game - like the actual act in and of itself objectively speaking, is just silly. Big Brother isn't a morality competition, it's a gameshow with a cash prize - if he wants to bus people because he thinks that'll help him win then all power to him. If you and others think that's a crap gameplan then fine (I don't disagree) but what I'm saying is that it is silly to criticise people for the actual act of playing a game when this is a gameshow.

[Jordan.]

No one is criticising him for the playing a game though. Everyone has said it's the way he's playing it that we don't like.

[Jack_]

Amy's OP says 'she said he was a ruthless gameplayer and she was right' though. That reads as if it's a criticism of him playing a game

And the housemates constantly moan about how awful and evil and scummy 'gameplaying' is every year. It was more a general comment tbh

[Missunique]

So if the Evelyn or Laura had come to the decision to evict Teesh you guys would be fine with it as a game move.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I mean she was right and she was a better housemate but I still don't understand people being criticised for gameplaying on a gameshow (both in the house and by viewers)

Like...logic?!?!

I don't think people are criticising him for playing a game, but for him lying about it and making someone else look bad in the process. I also think it's the way he has chosen to present himself as honest, genuine and moralistic and then being caught out as anything but that.

[JTM45]

Charlie didn't need any help looking bad.........she did a fantastic job of that all by herself!!!!! Actually it's the one thing she did manage to do well. Good job Charlie! Bravo.
She was one of the most psychotic bunny-boilers to ever pollute the Big Brother house and it's been so much better in there since she was evicted......by US!!!!!

Now with Jason getting rid of another silly cow for us last night things couldn't be going any better. Well done that man!!!!

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I read it but I made my feelings abundantly clear elsewhere.

I actually like game players but his game was crap and he's a bore. If for instance he had gone into the diary room and gone damn they'be rumbled me I'd have thought that was great ngl but the fact he played it up and threw not only his ex but his only supporter under the bus makes me think he's not a good person at all. But I'm stupid what do I know.

Since annhialation week started, I'm sure some of those in there who hadn't been thinking strategically beforehand, started to do so. They realised that they would be pitted against each other. Getting Lateysha out was the right thing to do.
Sure Jason could have gone with an easier option, like Jayne, but he knows there are quite a few who also seem to want to get her out. Whereas someone had to break Lateysha's clique, why not him.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Missunique

So if the Evelyn or Laura had come to the decision to evict Teesh you guys would be fine with it as a game move.

Absolutely.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Charlie didn't need any help looking bad.........she did a fantastic job of that all by herself!!!!! Actually it's the one thing she did manage to do well. Good job Charlie! Bravo.
She was one of the most psychotic bunny-boilers to ever pollute the Big Brother house and it's been so much better in there since she was evicted......by US!!!!!

Now with Jason getting rid of another silly cow for us last night things couldn't be going any better. Well done that man!!!!

This.

[delta]

Originally Posted by Adamw92

Yes, he knew Evelyn and Laura would so his logic is to vote out Lateysha claiming they have too much conflict yet any conflict he's had in the house lately has been from Evelyn, Laura and Jayne.

He also said that he saw her as the strongest competition and the mainstay of the orchestration of discord with her gang of haters.


The thickos in there were still advocating voting for the weakest or their perceived weakest house mate, now tell me, who has the biggest set of gonads, someone that takes out a threat and who has been running things from her loft Welsh mattress or a group that advocates taking out one of the meekest or not so popular in there?


For the first time since BB5 someone has stepped up to the mantle and played the game as it should be ( first time it's been put in place to allow them to do it as well) instead of playing the pre-conditioned game of life that they all know so well, pick the weakest, keep the best looking, the coolest, the funniest. He picked out a threat and executed the coup de gras. BOOOOOOOOOOM!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

She was right about Jason being a game player.

This. I don't think it can be denied that when pushed he'll play the game, that's obvious now. But I don't think it makes him a bad person, and I don't think it makes him ruthless. He pushed the button as others did, played the game within the rules, so all was fair.

The only thing that makes me lose respect for him, is the fact that he so adamantly denied he was a game player, and seemed offended at the suggestion. I mean I can understand why he would be like that, given how people can judge game playing so negatively, but I'd respect him more had he never said those things.

But really, if he's shown himself to be anything, it's slightly untrustworthy within the confines of a game. Which isn't all that bad.

[Pete.]

And she was rewarded with an eviction, loving that logic

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Jason not being the nice guy he was pretending to be, she said he was a ruthless game player and she was right.

Bet she was telling the truth about everything else too, bet he lead her on and lied about that ratty dog

You would believe anybody willing to part with a bad word towards Jason.

Charlie's unbalanced....Jason isn't...he has been nothing but a team player in there and it's got him no where...so now he is playing the game...no one appreciated his sacrifices...so now he is just going to look out for himself.
That doesn't make him ruthless it makes him brave...what does he owe these people....Nothing.
He will have the backs of a couple in there but the rest deserve nothing from him.