[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I do snippy well I've been told, usually when calling out prejudices too strangely, can I be a TS please?

You mean, when you're ridiculing people who have a different opinion from you.

And you are already a TS.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well Nice has its fair share of immigrants in ghettos, a lot of islam is practised and there are mosques. The Nice killer was targeted and radicalised very quickly. Marseilles has 30-40% Muslim population.

The French themselves may be secular but their immigrant population sure are not

Yes but that's the point; the native population are highly secular and intolerant of religious cultures and so reject integration strongly, leading to ghettoisation and isolation, which is what provides plenty of disenfranchised (usually) young and easily influenced individuals to radicalise. You're totally right that the problem lies in the insular communities and ghettos. These are not caused by multiculturalism, or "failing" multiculturalism, but a REJECTION of multiculturalism... And yet, your solution is to reject it even more strongly?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It was in large part sold on immigration and if it hadn't been, if it had been sold on "control of law and trade", the vote wouldn't have swung that way.



I'm sure not everyone voted based on that, but a large enough proportion to account for far more than the small %age swing, certainly. But then, you know that, this is is another example of you pretending to be ignorant when the obvious doesn't suit the point that you're trying to make.

TS you are beginning to catch Jackitis

Its a condition where you seem to think you know exactly a posters mind and motive in order to make your own argument sound credible.


LT: I am so hungry I have not eaten all day

Jack: Lol, LT you are full up and are not hungry, stop saying you are hungry you lying charlatan

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but that's the point; the native population are highly secular and intolerant of religious cultures and so reject integration strongly, leading to ghettoisation and isolation, which is what provides plenty of disenfranchised (usually) young and easily influenced individuals to radicalise. You're totally right that the problem lies in the insular communities and ghettos. These are not caused by multiculturalism, or "failing" multiculturalism, but a REJECTION of multiculturalism... And yet, your solution is to reject it even more strongly?

Are you saying that the French should welcome this backward unreformed ridiculous religion with open arms?


I dont think that the ghettisation is solely based on the secular nature of the French but more to do with money?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

TS you are beginning to catch Jackitis

Its a condition where you seem to think you know exactly a posters mind and motive in order to make your own argument sound credible.


LT: I am so hungry I have not eaten all day

Jack: Lol, LT you are full up and are not hungry, stop saying you are hungry you lying charlatan

You should be flattered LT, the only reason I think you're being disingenuous is that I'm convinced you aren't stupid.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You mean, when you're ridiculing people who have a different opinion from you.

And you are already a TS.

Rude

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You should be flattered LT, the only reason I think you're being disingenuous is that I'm convinced you aren't stupid.

you are doing it again as you imply that I must be stupid to disagree with you

It looks like you have it bad

Spoiler:

i could mean infer, i never get that right

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are you saying that the French should welcome this backward unreformed ridiculous religion with open arms?


I dont think that the ghettisation is solely based on the secular nature of the French but more to do with money?

I think they should be tolerant of the differences in newcomers, integrate them properly into society, and then see the benefits that follow. If you look at the heavily religious immigrant families in Britain and America who ARE well integrated (and they do exist) you can see the effect... First generation holds onto it, second generation keeps a lot of the tradition but are more accepting of their children's freedom to choose, third generation starts to become as indifferent to religion as our own teens. They take more societal influence from their friends and those around them than from family. The problem with ghettos of course being that this is lost.

Multiculturalism only works with integration and willingness to integrate has to come from BOTH sides.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you are doing it again as you imply that I must be stupid to disagree with you

It looks like you have it bad

Spoiler:

i could mean infer, i never get that right

No no no, not to disagree with me, but to pretend to be ignorant of some fairly objective concepts. If you interpret things differently, that's fine.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

TS you are beginning to catch Jackitis

Its a condition where you seem to think you know exactly a posters mind and motive in order to make your own argument sound credible.


LT: I am so hungry I have not eaten all day

Jack: Lol, LT you are full up and are not hungry, stop saying you are hungry you lying charlatan

Have you caught an itus off the forum oracle?... you seem to be mocking the comments of others in an attempt to make your paper thin argument appear credible in this thread.

PS I am not the forum oracle

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you caught an itus off the forum oracle?... you seem to be mocking the comments of others in an attempt to make your paper thin argument appear credible in this thread.

PS I am not the forum oracle

We finally agree on something.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you caught an itus off the forum oracle?... you seem to be mocking the comments of others in an attempt to make your paper thin argument appear credible in this thread.

PS I am not the forum oracle

dont drag me into your fight

TS, Jack and I are best pals really

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

We finally agree on something.

I wonder who is? .....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wonder who is? .....

I'm sorry Kizzy, I left school a long time ago, I'm past this childishness so maybe try it with someone on your own level. And as you seem to thrive on this negative attention, I'm putting you back on ignore.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

dont drag me into your fight

TS, Jack and I are best pals really

So are Livia and Kizzy.


... ...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm sorry Kizzy, I left school a long time ago, I'm past this childishness so maybe try it with someone on your own level. And as you seem to thrive on this negative attention, I'm putting you back on ignore.

If that makes you happy, do what you have to do liv.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm sorry Kizzy, I left school a long time ago, I'm past this childishness so maybe try it with someone on your own level. And as you seem to thrive on this negative attention, I'm putting you back on ignore.

Come on Livia, NO ONE on the last few pages can be getting on a maturity high horse...