[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think you're presuming this show is all about your opinions.. Your hierarchy of what is offensive isn't BBs guides to punishments, the sooner you learn this, the sooner you can move on. The victim of Marnie was not offended (no punishment), the victim of Aubrey was not offended (final warning), plenty of victims of Biggins were offended (at least three warnings, aka ejection). Your cry for 'what offends me the most' is irrelevant but its kinda cute that you disagree. see: Spotlight effect.

I have seen no evidence that anyone in the house was offended by Biggins' remarks.

Even Katie was very upset that he was leaving.

But even if they were offended, how is that some kind of indicator of who should be ejected? If you want to get rid of a housemate then you would just claim that you were offended by them.

And you keep saying yourself that Bear is upsetting and offending all of them and yet he hasn't been kicked out.

Why, it's almost as if BB isn't being fair and balanced.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

This in a nutshell.

[Diatom]

I am usually just a lurker but I had to log on and say this is complete bull****. They kicked that man off for his opinion! An Opinion does not equate to bad language!
Gah! BB decided and chose to air the conversation. Why???
One mans opinion does not trump another's and now the BB police have taken away your right to have your own opinion..it should be called Big Prison!
Everyone should be entitled to their own opinions and thoughts with out that we are robots.
The adgenda and brainwashing is very evident..
So it's BB's OPINION that Biggins OPINION is offensive and BB's OPINION that Aubrey's deliberate, vile, discusting ACTIONS were okay. Hmmm
Who's in charge here at BB?

[ThriceShy]

People seem to be under the impression that BB are doing this censorship for the greater good and to protect minorities from being offended.

They aren't. They are simply doing it as a result of what happened surrounding the Shilpa Shetty race row shenanigans. It is simple arse covering.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I have seen no evidence that anyone in the house was offended by Biggins' remarks.

Even Katie was very upset that he was leaving.

But even if they were offended, how is that some kind of indicator of who should be ejected? If you want to get rid of a housemate then you would just claim that you were offended by them.

And you keep saying yourself that Bear is upsetting and offending all of them and yet he hasn't been kicked out.

Why, it's almost as if BB isn't being fair and balanced.

I have never said bear is offending any of them. Seems like you're reaching. And its not all about the housemates when theres 2 million viewers. I know youre confused by all this, i dont have the time to go through in baby steps why the show hasnt gone completely your way since day one. Sorry. I can leave you with one of the rules though

Big Brother will intervene and may remove you from the house if you behave in an unacceptable way that could cause serious offence to any other Housemate or to the viewing public.

Biggins has offended communities outside of the house. marnies victim was not offended, Aubreys victim was not offended.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I have never said bear is offending any of them. Seems like you're reaching. And its not all about the housemates when theres 2 million viewers. I know youre confused by all this, i dont have the time to go through in baby steps why the show hasnt gone completely your way since day one. Sorry. I can leave you with one of the rules though

Big Brother will intervene and may remove you from the house if you behave in an unacceptable way that could cause serious offence to any other Housemate or to the viewing public.

Biggins has offended communities outside of the house. marnies victim was not offended, Aubreys victim was not offended.

If Aubrey's victim wasn't offended then why did they give her a final warning?

Biggins hasn't offended anyone outside of the house. It is BB who broadcast his comments. If bisexuals (the poor flowers) are offended then that offence was caused by BB not biggins.

It is amusing to be accused of reaching by someone who, last night, exclaimed "you have too much time on your hands", while showing a post count that is 3 times mine.

[Diatom]

Have they even told the house why or left them with that lame vague excuse ?
I don't think they have as some would probably walk and the rest would just sit there afraid to talk about anything.
Lol, what a joke this has turned into.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

If Aubrey's victim wasn't offended then why did they give her a final warning?

Because people like you (and other poor flowers) are offended on his behalf. I have no idea whats confusing you anymore. The more offence caused, the more severe the punishment. Its basically maths.

[Diatom]

LOL..bull****..BB was offended. Periiod.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Because people like you (and other poor flowers) are offended on his behalf. I have no idea whats confusing you anymore. The more offence caused, the more severe the punishment. Its basically maths.

Aubrey committed a crime. They even had to seek medical advice. She committed a serious assault.

If spitting is OK then why was Dennis removed?

[halfacrown]

There is no freedom of speech without the freedom to offend. Every racist/homophobic/ sexist comment is an opportunity to refute and debate. How strange that BB gives prominent warnings at the beginning of its broadcast, for a programme made for adults, and then evicts someone for a few ill-judged words.

My own opinion is that a weird puritanical obsession with the dogma of Political correctness has gripped young people. This is against the usual flow of social history, because the young have usually been the source of disruption and freedom.

The reality is that Political Correctness is sometimes the enemy of truth: go ahead and read the Wikipedia entry on the Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal to see what I'm talking about. Sometimes the best of intentions can be replaced by obsession and denial.

[Diatom]

Yeah we have to remember who's running the show..

[VanessaFeltz.]

Some people have no idea sometimes words can cause A LOT MORE damage than even physical damage.. And we are talking about thousands of people he offended.

But obviously some people here havent have to go through such ignorance so they cant understand.

Buttt maybe i shouldnt talk more because i can get a warning so ops (or even get a warning for talking about warnings)

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by MelihV

Some people have no idea sometimes words can cause A LOT MORE damage than even physical damage.. And we are talking about thousands of people he offended.

But obviously some people here havent have to go through such ignorance so they cant understand.

Buttt maybe i shouldnt talk more because i can get a warning so ops (or even get a warning for talking about warnings)

But biggins was gay in an era where it was really frowned on and even illegal. He will have been on the receiving end of some prejudice.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Making an opinion not based on facts makes you as stupid as anybody who learns and disregards them.
Either way his "opinions" were simply ill-informed and could cause offence to a community just because of his ignorance. Warning warranted.
If we're led to believe he could have caused offence three or more times, ejection warranted.

Opinions don't just have to be based on acts though do they, they are a product of culture, socialisation, media influence... You can't say people are stupid for being ignorant to the 'facts'.

It's sad we were not given the full facts with which to base our opinions on, I hate feeling like I'm being spoonfed information that is contrary to the 'facts' whether what he said was ignorant or not I would like to make my own mind up how I feel about it.

'If we're led'..... My advice? Don't be led, anywhere.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

But biggins was gay in an era where it was really frowned on and even illegal. He will have been on the receiving end of some prejudice.

I was talking about people's point of view and why i think they are wrong in that matter my sentence wasnt towards biggins my sentence was towards everybody who thinks "oh you should be a big boy and get over it, if you are not tough then you are going to be tarnished in life anyways, it is just his opinion"

Yes majority of the people here have enough inner strenght to not care about the silly opinions but there are lots of people out there who has diffrent life experimences and sometimes nobody is there for that person and imagine that person is watching tv and seeing triggering things like "bisexuality is **** it is not real" from a gay guy's mouth lets everyone take a moment of silence and think about that.

To everyone out there even if you are that minority member yes you may be strong but not everybody has the life experimence that you have

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Aubrey committed a crime. They even had to seek medical advice. She committed a serious assault.

If spitting is OK then why was Dennis removed?

The spitting was pretty nasty but I wouldn't think of it as a very serious crime. The idea of seeking medical advice seemed out of character for the BB staff when you consider the countless examples of strangers who have exchanged bodily fluids on the show previously. They may have done it willingly but a snog involves two lots of saliva, doesn't it?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

The spitting was pretty nasty but I wouldn't think of it as a very serious crime. The idea of seeking medical advice seemed out of character for the BB staff when you consider the countless examples of strangers who have exchanged bodily fluids on the show previously. They may have done it willingly but a snog involves two lots of saliva, doesn't it?

Spitting at someone is assault and you will be arrested.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.

Good points.

Suppressing people's view points will not solve anything, it will only make things worse. Views need to be challenged as you say. Only through education can we make a difference. Silencing people and punishing them for their views is what happens in oppressive regimes.

Let people have their disagreeable views and let those views be challenged with reason, compassion and truth. That will enable people to change, it will enable evolution of thought and then eventually real racism/prejudice will be consigned to the past where it belongs.

[wendywillow]

im blaming social media. why cant people watch a show and just say "ok, that guys an idiot" and move on. why must you have him removed/fired/fined etc because you dont agree with what he says. people were offended? who decides whats offensive? where does it end? bbusa has become boring because people are afraid to say anything. at least bbuk had some freedom, sheesh