[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Plenty of diseases are preventable, doesn't mean we should withhold important treatment though.

If it was any other kind of contagious disease, I think people would be a lot more sympathetic.

I think you are right.

I am more inclined to agree with the courts ruling and also hope it gets upheld when an appeal goes forward.

[Gstar]

Surely there's a risk of it being ineffective as nothing works on everyone. I wonder what the side effects are..

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You take it before, so you're free to go and have all the unprotected sex you want.

As opposed to sticking a condom on or not having sex with people whose sexual health is questionable?

[Ammi]

....hmmm it seems a bit strange that in a few days, there has been gender reassignment surgery V cataract surgery and then this lifestyle choice thing of having unprotected sex and an expensive preventative and should it be funded by the NHS...(I think it was maybe Dezzy who said in the other thread..?..)..that it all more feels as though it's devised to 'demonise' and to provoke judgement....I know this is going to sound really negative but where is that promised land we were led to believe with Brexit and more funding for the NHS, so that all new treatments would be able to be explored ..because it all feels like 'we don't have any more funding than we ever had' to me..and that was not how it was meant to be, surely...'I'm sorry but it's not essential to have gender reassignment and it's very expensive'..'I'm sorry but it's not essential to have this drug and it's very expensive'...and already we're having Aids V Cancer, when there are no comparisons at all..as there aren't with transgender surgery and cataract surgery....Brexit was meant to give us more NHS and more availability for everyone but it seems to be the same old, same old and the same old demonisation and provoking of judgements...I just find it all quite worrying...


...anways, if someone chooses to have unprotected sex and not use a condom, would they choose to take the drug...?...that sounds doubtful as well, surely...but it's still something that should be available for those who would choose it and to prevent....

[Ammi]

..I mean these things just all seem divisive and detracting and the 'real' thing being....nope we lied, there will be no 'better NHS'..that was never an option me dears...

[arista]

"not use a condom, "



Yes Ammi these buggers
are in millions

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmm it seems a bit strange that in a few days, there has been gender reassignment surgery V cataract surgery and then this lifestyle choice thing of having unprotected sex and an expensive preventative and should it be funded by the NHS...(I think it was maybe Dezzy who said in the other thread..?..)..that it all more feels as though it's devised to 'demonise' and to provoke judgement....I know this is going to sound really negative but where is that promised land we were led to believe with Brexit and more funding for the NHS, so that all new treatments would be able to be explored ..because it all feels like 'we don't have any more funding than we ever had' to me..and that was not how it was meant to be, surely...'I'm sorry but it's not essential to have gender reassignment and it's very expensive'..'I'm sorry but it's not essential to have this drug and it's very expensive'...and already we're having Aids V Cancer, when there are no comparisons at all..as there aren't with transgender surgery and cataract surgery....Brexit was meant to give us more NHS and more availability for everyone but it seems to be the same old, same old and the same old demonisation and provoking of judgements...I just find it all quite worrying...


...anways, if someone chooses to have unprotected sex and not use a condom, would they choose to take the drug...?...that sounds doubtful as well, surely...but it's still something that should be available for those who would choose it and to prevent....

Of course Brexit will change things when it finally goes through! ... ... ...

With all of that pesky EU "human rights" hocus pocus and "equality" shenanigans by what old chap, out of the way, it'll be MUCH easier for them to push forward the dismantlement of the NHS. Woohoo!

[smudgie]

The court ruling does not mean the drug has got the go ahead. It only means that NHS England CAN fund the drug if they so wish.
If they lose the appeal then they can consider the pros and cons of funding the drug, as they will alongside the funding another 13 drugs for various ailments.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I mean these things just all seem divisive and detracting and the 'real' thing being....nope we lied, there will be no 'better NHS'..that was never an option me dears...

Theresa may isn't "a gay", "a ******" or "foreign scum" though, so none of it is the government's fault. Stop saying sensible things ammi - you will be delivered a shiny new pitchfork (paid for with the saved dirty ****** money) with your next "blue bin" collection, along with details of your local postcode's lynchmob, and you are free to go after whichever drag queen or sodomite you please by gum! Don't you love Britain or something???

[arista]

There was a Crazy Bible Scottish Fella
live on LBC before 10AM
Nic informed him that children
are with parents as this show is on
He warned the Scottish Bible Freak
to not use some words,


Sadly the Bible Freak
went on with "Penetration" and worse


Nic then said "RED CARD"
now - he is banned from LBC calling in.



Well done Nic Ferrari

[thesheriff443]

We live in a crazy world.
If you think about it why should it just be for the gay men!, it should be for everyone.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

We live in a crazy world.
If you think about it why should it just be for the gay men!, it should be for everyone.

The risk of catching HIV through anal sex is much higher than vaginal sex (where the risk of catching it, even if the other person definitely has it, is actually pretty low) and therefore there is a higher risk for those who engage in anal sex (with partners of unknown sexual history).

Not that straight people can't engage in a bit of bum fun, or even that all homosexuals have anal sex, but obviously it's statistically more likely.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

We live in a crazy world.
If you think about it why should it just be for the gay men!, it should be for everyone.

No that would Cost to much money
the gay people that have "Risky" Sex
go to the Clinic or Doctor
and are monitored under this "Prep" system.

In USA it has saved money

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The risk of catching HIV through anal sex is much higher than vaginal sex (where the risk of catching it, even if the other person definitely has it, is actually pretty low) and therefore there is a higher risk for those who engage in anal sex (with partners of unknown sexual history).

Not that straight people can't engage in a bit of bum fun, or even that all homosexuals have anal sex, but obviously it's statistically more likely.

thats up to the lady

[bitontheslide]

well, this is rather silly. It will encourage unprotected sex, which in turn will cause an increase in all the other std's that are readily caught, costing the tax payer even more money.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

well, this is rather silly. It will encourage unprotected sex, which in turn will cause an increase in all the other std's that are readily caught, costing the tax payer even more money.

Yes that is why they go to
the clinic or GP once a month
so it costs around Ł400 per month
in total.

Its been Reported more Older Gays
get infected by more stds, sadly


There is a India Medical Company selling the same tablet
at Ł40 online. (from LBC Live yesterday)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

thats up to the lady

Depends

[lostalex]

if they pay for birth control pills or condoms or the HPV vaccine then they should absolutely have to pay for Prep. it's all the same.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I mean these things just all seem divisive and detracting and the 'real' thing being....nope we lied, there will be no 'better NHS'..that was never an option me dears...

If you are referring to the Brexit promises you do realize that Britain isn't out of the EU yet, right? The 2 year process of getting out of the EU hasn't even been triggered yet...so you can't really criticize the Brexit promises until Britain has actually exited...