[letmein]

Originally Posted by empire

clint eastwood said something so true about today's generation, they are a bunch of pussies who make people walk on egg shells, why should renee be kicked out for saying her opinions that are not going to affect this world of today, if people on big brother can't have opinions then it is no longer a real show on TV.

Clint Eastwood talks to chairs.

[camertone]

Originally Posted by Mullens123

No but I think people, especially people who don't face racism at all in real life need to get thicker skin over what they see on a tv show. The same individuals who complain about people not being politically correct on tv are the same people who turn a blind eye to the struggle of particular groups in every day society.

people should think before what they say, words hurt people.

racism is never okay, no matter where or when.

[delta]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.

However for me BB is about us looking in on people with their good sides and bad sides, then the people they live with deciding to put them up for eviction and those who have offended or we don;t like getting voted out.

Why can't BB be used to expose prejudices people have, get them out in the open, rather than have them acting most or all of the time guarding what they say.

Of course BB has to set them challenges, make sure they are safe and take action against any actual physical aggression.
However let them show themselves up as to what and how they think,as if we were looking in on their own houses.

BB has always been a controversial idea as to its original planning.
We are warned at the start of every programme of offence probably being caused across the board as to just about everything.

If we are so easily offended then why watch it in the first place.

I'd actually rather know how people really think and feel and also their prejudices, rather than see people acting falsely to try to win a programme.
Leaving us thinking they are possibly all sweetness and decent when in reality they and indeed I and others too, all likely have flaws and views that will surely offend someone,it is near impossible for that not to be the case.

I agree but it just wouldn't work. They would be off air faster than you could say Bear.

What I don't agree with is the one sided judication that has taken place, I haven't got time for Biggins, he's a slob of a man, with very poor acting skills and been a C rated actor all of his life, but for fairness Renee should have gone as well or they both should have been given a final warning.

It's difficult to judge properly what has taken place and to be able to comment on it with any degree of certainty,all we can do is second guess. The facts that we do know is that Biggins was booted out, now if it had been a lone oration where he was preaching to the house and they were all looking on flaberghasted then Biggins could have very little reason to being bewildered for his dismissal. As it happened it was a two way conversation where both housemates expressed the same views and for that both should have been dealt the same punishment,what ever they deemed fit.

My personal opinion it was way over the top removing him from the house and smacks of double standards. Aubrey's spitting in Bear's food and drink was a far worse infraction and deserved instand dismissal.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by delta

I agree but it just wouldn't work. They would be off air faster than you could say Bear.

What I don't agree with is the one sided judication that has taken place, I haven't got time for Biggins, he's a slob of a man, with very poor acting skills and been a C rated actor all of his life, but for fairness Renee should have gone as well or they both should have been given a final warning.

It's difficult to judge properly what has taken place and to be able to comment on it with any degree of certainty,all we can do is second guess. The facts that we do know is that Biggins was booted out, now if it had been a lone oration where he was preaching to the house and they were all looking on flaberghasted then Biggins could have very little reason to being bewildered for his dismissal. As it happened it was a two way conversation where both housemates expressed the same views and for that both should have been dealt the same punishment,what ever they deemed fit.

My personal opinion it was way over the top removing him from the house and smacks of double standards. Aubrey's spitting in Bear's food and drink was a far worse infraction and deserved instand dismissal.

I agree with all you have said above and especially the last paragraph,that was something that warranted instant dismissal, the only other thing for me would be an actual physical attack on another housemate.

[chuff me dizzy]

She was saying exactly the same things as Biggins,so yes she should have gone as well

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.

However for me BB is about us looking in on people with their good sides and bad sides, then the people they live with deciding to put them up for eviction and those who have offended or we don;t like getting voted out.

Why can't BB be used to expose prejudices people have, get them out in the open, rather than have them acting most or all of the time guarding what they say.

Of course BB has to set them challenges, make sure they are safe and take action against any actual physical aggression.
However let them show themselves up as to what and how they think,as if we were looking in on their own houses.

BB has always been a controversial idea as to its original planning.
We are warned at the start of every programme of offence probably being caused across the board as to just about everything.

If we are so easily offended then why watch it in the first place.

I'd actually rather know how people really think and feel and also their prejudices, rather than see people acting falsely to try to win a programme.
Leaving us thinking they are possibly all sweetness and decent when in reality they and indeed I and others too, all likely have flaws and views that will surely offend someone,it is near impossible for that not to be the case.

Yes, you make some good points here. I guess controversial comments do actually get debates going and do raise awareness of issues so could actually be beneficial in some ways. And, as you suggest, viewers could then choose to evict those whose views are totally offensive.

I am guessing, however, the eviction must be something to do with legal issues and racism/promoting racial hatred though. His comments have probably crossed the line between controversial and racism.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Yes, you make some good points here. I guess controversial comments do actually get debates going and do raise awareness of issues so could actually be beneficial in some ways. And, as you suggest, viewers could then choose to evict those whose views are totally offensive.

I am guessing, however, the eviction must be something to do with legal issues and racism/promoting racial hatred though. His comments have probably crossed the line between controversial and racism.

Absolutely Garfie.

Also clearly we have not been shown and heard all he has said that warranted the earlier talking to and warnings.

[Garfie]

I have copied the following from the CPS website, regarding UK laws, and am assuming that some of Biggins' comments may have fallen into this category, which might be the reason for the rumours about a police investigation. It might also explain the reason why BB have not broadcast it, as according to this they could be seen as committing a criminal offence in doing so. I have highlighted the key points in the first paragraph.

The highlighted passage at the bottom explains that, although we are entitled to free speech, the reason why balance is needed when we choose what we say- "we have to balance the rights of the individual to freedom of expression against the duty of the state to ...... protect the rights of others".

Just thought it might be of interest, and go some way to addressing some of the confusion about why Biggins comments could have been deemed unacceptable and the reason behind his removal, as well as answering some of the questions raised on here during the discussions on Biggins and free speech.


Incitement to racial hatred

This offence is committed when the accused person says or does something which is threatening, abusive or insulting and, by doing so, either intends to stir up racial hatred, or makes it likely that racial hatred will be stirred up. This can include such things as making a speech, displaying a racist poster, publishing written material, performing a play or broadcasting something in the media.

If we are not able to prove that someone intended to stir up racial hatred, we have to show that, in all the circumstances, hatred was likely to be stirred up. 'Likely' does not mean that racial hatred was simply possible. We therefore have to examine the context of any behaviour very carefully, in particular the likely audience, as this will be highly relevant.

These offences appear in the Public Order Act 1986.
When people hate others because of race, such hatred may become manifest in the commission of crimes motivated by hate, or in abuse, discrimination or prejudice. Such reactions will vary from person to person, but all hatred has a detrimental effect on both individual victims and society, and this is a relevant factor to take into account when considering whether a prosecution is appropriate.

It is essential in a free, democratic and tolerant society that people are able robustly to exchange views, even when these may cause offence. However, we have to balance the rights of the individual to freedom of expression against the duty of the state to act proportionately in the interests of public safety, to prevent disorder and crime, and to protect the rights of others.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by empire

clint eastwood said something so true about today's generation, they are a bunch of pussies who make people walk on egg shells, why should renee be kicked out for saying her opinions that are not going to affect this world of today, if people on big brother can't have opinions then it is no longer a real show on TV.

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[camertone]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

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clint eastwood is really bad example.. lol.

he is known to be a close minded republican with antisemitic tendency.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

"Renee: You can't joke about that stuff in America, okay, because the Jews run everything. Even Obama has to answer to them"

They must be hoping so much attention is going to be on what Biggins said that no one notices this comment.

My guess though is that she's going to get a good talking to for that comment.

She sounds just like Jeremy Corbyn.

[wendywillow]

Originally Posted by lostalex

She sounds just like Jeremy Corbyn.

uhh the quote in question is fake lol never happened