[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not wanting to nitpick here LT but... suede is a type of leather.

It's not leather.

Following rules is not hard. Look at your car insurance. Or council tax.

I'd imagine you follow those to the T

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It's not leather.

Following rules is not hard. Look at your car insurance. Or council tax.

I'd imagine you follow those to the T

If you think I'm driving around in a leather car you can FUQ OFF SIR.

[armand.kay]

bye I never knew suede was made from animal skin.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hi iv come to play for man u but I have a Bournemouth top. Its red and white and black. Wait, what? I can't play?

Oh iv turned up at school with Ł450 suede designer shoes and I can't wear them. But the peasants get in with primarkleather? Its a fck joke. Why should my mum not superced the headmaster?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It's not leather.

Following rules is not hard. Look at your car insurance. Or council tax.

I'd imagine you follow those to the T

It ****ing literally is leather LT.

suede
sweɪd/
noun
leather with the flesh side rubbed to make a velvety nap.

Not here for LeatherT not even knowing what suede is . Get the name changed.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Hi iv come to play for man u but I have a Bournemouth top. Its red and white and black. Wait, what? I can't play?

Oh iv turned up at school with Ł450 suede designer shoes and I can't wear them. But the peasants get in with primarkleather? Its a fck joke. Why should my mum not superced the headmaster?

Yes, the shoes in the OP are clearly Ł450 designer shoes and not all from the same Back to School shelf at Matalan.

[James]

I remember being at school and feeling left out cause I didn't have some of the top brands for sports gear. That kind of thing would have been 10x worse if it applied to everyday clothes too.

[Shaun]

I presume you moved on with your life however.

Kinda thought that was what the whole point of tackling bullying was meant to be.

[arista]

The Dumb Dad
went to the press saying her may take his girl to another School.
Pesky Dad on the right

So the Headteacher
should refuse them.

Buy Leather ones
stop going to the Press
you Pesky Dad.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

I remember being at school and feeling left out cause I didn't have some of the top brands for sports gear. That kind of thing would have been 10x worse if it applied to everyday clothes too.

It's character building to express your individuality ... the fact this is being phased out of existence is heartbreaking.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's character building to express your individuality ... the fact this is being phased out of existence is heartbreaking.

The only thing they're expressing is the amount their parents are stupid enough to spend on their clothing.

[Rob!]

This sort of thing really annoys me - in what possible way does this affect the education of students? So they're not wearing correct uniform - who cares? How does that affect their or their peers ability to learn?

[Maru]

I have to wonder what the edge case is they are trying to avoid by being so explicit about the type of shoes they expect. When we had dress code, they were this picky, but they gave pretty clear examples during the orientation (if you bothered to go) so there was really is no excuse for trying to skirt the rule... same with not having the correct ruler, exact type of paper, exact color folders by the 2nd class meeting... you were humiliated a little bit if you didn't have these things and were called out for not following instruction.

It seems silly, but the schools I went to were very large and we had a local gang population so they were trying to treat kids to better conform. It can be a reasonable, but it depends on the situation and the interpretation. It may not seem to apply to the shoes in the picture, but you would be surprised the stupid things some of these kids will fight over/steal from each each to get higher up the food chain. I for one hated my dress code as I was looking forward to dressing up in MS/HS. Uniform shopping was soul crushing as it wasn't common at that time. It made sense with all the physical fights and such... I guess it's to keep it fair, not just discriminating kids with "fancier" tastes so that every kid will feel really that they blend in. I still got threatened regularly and told to come to the bus stop after school, but it was mostly due to myself being one of a 2-3 white people in that school, my petite size, my very long blonde hair and the fact I was a total nerd... unless everyone wore body paint and shoes to adjust for height, I was screwed

[arista]

Maru
the Stupid Dad
got the press , then said he may
pull his Girl out
out that school and take her to another.

So he is working against the School
The Enemy - so to speak.

He went live on GMBHD itv
so we all got to see how stupid he was.

If only the Mother was there
instead

[Ammi]

...but then, the new Head is working against the parents as well, Arista so stupid as stupid as stupid, really...the main thing doesn't seem to be about the shoes themselves but more about the way in which it was done...which really wasn't going to do anything else other than alienate parents and that 'stupid' lies with the Head...the stupid dad....was actually in agreement that uniform should be enforced but the guidance policy of the uniform/shoes specifically isn't very clear because the examples it gives of 'acceptable' are also a bit decorative..so which 'decorative' is acceptable and which 'decorative' isn't acceptable..?.../that's not really clear and instead of making it clear/defining it more clearly..many children were just sent home, rather than giving time to rectify etc...also with his daughter, the reason for her being sent home the previous day was a blazer issue..?...and her shoes weren't mentioned even though they were the same shoes that the Head had issue with the following day...so yeah, maybe 'stupid' and dumb to take your child out of the school but stupid and dumb to exclude a child when the policy has been so left open to interpretation of 'plain'...


...anyways, he's a Christian Head because the DM says so and very involved in the church etc etc...so he could inspire in his Christian ways and allow some reasonable leeway on footwear while he reviews the policy and clarifies... and allow all of the shoes to be worn for this term..(so long as they're appropriate in terms of safety etc, which they seem to be..)... and ask all of those children (and parents..)...to organise a shoebox/Operation Christmas Child and turn it into something positive in line with his Christian values, which I assume he wants for his school and pupils as well..../a trade off..you can have your shoes this term/but we want your filled shoeboxes and a little thought for those children who only wish they had shoes to think about...

[James]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I presume you moved on with your life however.

Kinda thought that was what the whole point of tackling bullying was meant to be.

I wouldn't necessarily call it bullying - it's more like a hierarchy.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's character building to express your individuality ... the fact this is being phased out of existence is heartbreaking.

As I remember it, it wasn't about what looked good, but rather having the best brands - and the more expensive the better. All that seems a bit strange to me now, but I think attitudes change when you have your own money to spend.

[Cherie]

How many kids attend this school? It looks like a small minority were unable to follow the uniform policy so it must be fairly clear if the majority got it right. There are always parents who think rules don't apply to their little dears, they are the ones who hog the teacher for an hour at parents evening when they are allocated 15 mins and don't care that they are inconveniencing others or make a song and dance at the school gates like this Dad because he feels he doesn't have to comply thereby role modelling to his daughter that she doesn't need to comply either, follow the rules, you can express your individuality in many ways both in and outside school and wearing the same clothes as everyone else doesn't take away your personality which is the biggest part of what makes you an individual. Team Head :

[Jamie89]

I generally agree with there being uniform in schools (I mean I don't feel particularly strongly about it either way but I can see the benefits of it, and the 'rules are rules' argument) but this is just ridiculous. They're shoes
I really think that sometimes people become so institutionalised in jobs like his, and so robotic in terms of thought that they lose the ability to apply common sense and judgement (which is also an important message to be teaching kids to prepare them for adulthood)...

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but then, the new Head is working against the parents as well, Arista so stupid as stupid as stupid, really...the main thing doesn't seem to be about the shoes themselves but more about the way in which it was done...which really wasn't going to do anything else other than alienate parents and that 'stupid' lies with the Head...the stupid dad....was actually in agreement that uniform should be enforced but the guidance policy of the uniform/shoes specifically isn't very clear because the examples it gives of 'acceptable' are also a bit decorative..so which 'decorative' is acceptable and which 'decorative' isn't acceptable..?.../that's not really clear and instead of making it clear/defining it more clearly..many children were just sent home, rather than giving time to rectify etc...also with his daughter, the reason for her being sent home the previous day was a blazer issue..?...and her shoes weren't mentioned even though they were the same shoes that the Head had issue with the following day...so yeah, maybe 'stupid' and dumb to take your child out of the school but stupid and dumb to exclude a child when the policy has been so left open to interpretation of 'plain'...


...anyways, he's a Christian Head because the DM says so and very involved in the church etc etc...so he could inspire in his Christian ways and allow some reasonable leeway on footwear while he reviews the policy and clarifies... and allow all of the shoes to be worn for this term..(so long as they're appropriate in terms of safety etc, which they seem to be..)... and ask all of those children (and parents..)...to organise a shoebox/Operation Christmas Child and turn it into something positive in line with his Christian values, which I assume he wants for his school and pupils as well..../a trade off..you can have your shoes this term/but we want your filled shoeboxes and a little thought for those children who only wish they had shoes to think about...

...and this sums it up perfectly for me.

[Cherie]

I don't know though what if they don't turn up with the shoe boxes and then you have allowed the footwear and set the precedent It's a failing school, parents need to get behind Head otherwise it will always be a failing school, he can't do it on his own

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, the shoes in the OP are clearly Ł450 designer shoes and not all from the same Back to School shelf at Matalan.

The example is in principle. The school make rules, the parents when they send their children agree to adhere to the rules. Reading an A4 piece of paper about uniform is not hard to do.

The school in question was a failing school, the headmaster has a track record of improving schools like this.

and yet the stupid (few) parents think they somehow know better

[Livia]

If these people put as much time and effort into following the rules there wouldn't be any kind of problem. If they don't like the school rules maybe they should try to get their little angels into a school where they can "express themselves".

[Josy]

Rules are rules and are in place for a reason.

[arista]

Ammi in this trade said:
"the new Head is working against the parents as well,"

Bollocks

All the kids with the Parents that
went by his printed Letter
are in the school.


Its was Just the bad parents
not bothering to much.



I back the New Head 100%
this has gone Worldwide
giving England a Top name in Education.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The only thing they're expressing is the amount their parents are stupid enough to spend on their clothing.

Oh don't get me wrong I agree with the 'no logo' aspect however it's the whole aspect pf uniformity that I see as stifling individuality.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

allow some reasonable leeway on footwear while he reviews the policy and clarifies... and allow all of the shoes to be worn for this term..(so long as they're appropriate in terms of safety etc, which they seem to be..).

As always Ammi is most wise: this is the reasonable and obvious middle ground. Point out that some of the footwear is not what the school would ideally like, and make the uniform policy more specific and more widely publicised for next term / next year... then leave it at that.

Specifically, if the uniform policy states "black leather shoes" then none of the shoes actually violate that. Maybe the headteacher, like LT, is confused and believes that suede isn't leather but as the rest of us right-thinking people know... suede is of course leather, as is patent leather (obviously). They need to rewrite the uniform policy to state black PLAIN leather, if that's what they want people to wear.