[Maru]

Originally Posted by the truth

playing to the loony left there pal....got to be politically correct at all time regardless of the argument.....most of what he says is perfectly rational, tariffs, trades, jobs at home, protection and safeguards against terrorism, reduce the all time national debt, reduce corporate corruption, support small to medium businesses. keep social security but increase payments to veterans, reduce wars in the middle eat, is not in the hands of corporate money men , he rejects their funding, scrap nafta and ttip etc the list goes on..though he is wrong on guns imo....clinton ignores the debt, empowers yet more corporate greed, corruption takes their money, ignores their obscene tax dodging, the endless wasteful government projects under the democrats, shes in the pockets of umpteen banks too

We have already had numerous threads with these discussions. This thread is for discussions about their medical records. Let's get back on topic.

Originally Posted by Jamie89

None of this stuff it to do with their mental health though, I don't understand any of this either tbh, I don't get why we need to know their medical reports at all

I understand that feeling. The problem is the precedent has already been set. Other presidents prior have released their records with little to no complaint and for that reason the people and the media feel entitled to these records... (such as tax records)

It's been discussed in another thread, but basically the US presidency is a very physically demanding job. It's taxing on the healthiest person and despite there being fallbacks (vice presidents), it is considered to be a sensitive position and that the individual who takes the position needs to be fit enough (and qualified enough) to handle the requirements of the job.

That said, the US presidency is one of the most important offices in the world (for better or worse...). Therefore having a president die or have to quit mid-term could become a major issue for the US. Especially if we are in the middle of touchy negotiations abroad. If Trump or Hillary actually do do their jobs and somehow fix an ineffective congress, then having them stay on board for four years getting the congress to function properly would mean tremendous progress in this country. Having a president quit or die midterm would be a terrible distraction not to mention, slow any progress we try to make. (and may end up breaking deals already made)

In short, privacy is a not a luxury of the presidency and is not considered to be a right for those running in the public in the US. When there's incidents that are occur here in public that involve the mentally ill with police for example and the police say it is justified in the records, then those dealings are usually demanded by the public and the media in order to provide some kind transparency... it's just how our culture works and unfortunately how our media works. We demand transparency 24/7 and we don't treat political positions the same as private citizens.

I agree to some extent, it is getting ridiculous the amount of emphasis they are placing on medical records versus say... the facts and positions that politicians are actually running on... that's the state of our political atmosphere and if it wasn't medical records, it would be tax records... or phone records... or email records... that's just the nature of our political system.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by the truth

lol yea we didnt see her collapse , we havent heard her cough endlessly , lets forget she has pneumonia and we havent heard her slow and weak and we have forgotten she is on warfrin still for blood clot prevention...her doctors note is a bigger joke than anything...clinton just cant stop flat out lying

Who said to forget anything? The point is that you want to know the current status of her health, and a doctor has provided that... what more do you want? Why is your judgement of her health a better analysis than that of a trained medical professional

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Who said to forget anything? The point is that you want to know the current status of her health, and a doctor has provided that... what more do you want? Why is your judgement of her health a better analysis than that of a trained medical professional

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Maru

I understand that feeling. The problem is the precedent has already been set. Other presidents prior have released their records with little to no complaint and for that reason the people and the media feel entitled to these records... (such as tax records)

It's been discussed in another thread, but basically the US presidency is a very physically demanding job. It's taxing on the healthiest person and despite there being fallbacks (vice presidents), it is considered to be a sensitive position and that the individual who takes the position needs to be fit enough (and qualified enough) to handle the requirements of the job.

That said, the US presidency is one of the most important offices in the world (for better or worse...). Therefore having a president die or have to quit mid-term could become a major issue for the US. Especially if we are in the middle of touchy negotiations abroad. If Trump or Hillary actually do do their jobs and somehow fix an ineffective congress, then having them stay on board for four years getting the congress to function properly would mean tremendous progress in this country. Having a president quit or die midterm would be a terrible distraction not to mention, slow any progress we try to make. (and may end up breaking deals already made)

In short, privacy is a not a luxury of the presidency and is not considered to be a right for those running in the public in the US. When there's incidents that are occur here in public that involve the mentally ill with police for example and the police say it is justified in the records, then those dealings are usually demanded by the public and the media in order to provide some kind transparency... it's just how our culture works and unfortunately how our media works. We demand transparency 24/7 and we don't treat political positions the same as private citizens.

I agree to some extent, it is getting ridiculous the amount of emphasis they are placing on medical records versus say... the facts and positions that politicians are actually running on... that's the state of our political atmosphere and if it wasn't medical records, it would be tax records... or phone records... or email records... that's just the nature of our political system.

I get what your saying, I still don't entirely see the need for it if I'm being completely honest, but if it's a fair playing field and the same rule applies for everyone then that's all fair enough really. I suppose the thing that's bothered me about all the health talk is the way I feel it's been used to drive an agenda unfairly against one of the candidates, rather than it being about politics. That's the way it's appeared to me anyway. It's all been turned into just another thing to distract from the politics and make this election appear even more of a farce

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Who said to forget anything? The point is that you want to know the current status of her health, and a doctor has provided that... what more do you want? Why is your judgement of her health a better analysis than that of a trained medical professional

i dont care what the quack wrote, hes clearly under orders to lie and spin for hillarys corrupt mob. anyone with a brain can see she is ill

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by the truth

i dont care what the quack wrote, hes clearly under orders to lie and spin for hillarys corrupt mob. anyone with a brain can see she is ill

So you're not going to believe anything she or a doctor says regarding her health, unless it fits with your own personal diagnosis of her? What's even the point...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

So you're not going to believe anything she or a doctor says regarding her health, unless it fits with your own personal diagnosis of her? What's even the point...

lol no shes a liar and to say shes perfectly healthy means shes got the doctor to lie. we already know for a fact she has pneumonia , she is on warfin, she did collapse and shes been coughing like hell for ages and loses her voice...anyone who tried to ignore all that and says shes perfectly healthy is simply a liar

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I get what your saying, I still don't entirely see the need for it if I'm being completely honest, but if it's a fair playing field and the same rule applies for everyone then that's all fair enough really. I suppose the thing that's bothered me about all the health talk is the way I feel it's been used to drive an agenda unfairly against one of the candidates, rather than it being about politics. That's the way it's appeared to me anyway. It's all been turned into just another thing to distract from the politics and make this election appear even more of a farce

It is a distraction at worst. Local offices, when relevant to the position, share this information readily though and there's usually nothing made of it. That's probably why it seems so bad in this case... but something very common because the average citizen considers this information to be relevant to their elect-ability.

This election has gone to the level of ridic, but we can largely blame the media for that (I blame the media for a lot when it comes to our politics tbqf). Most people don't think that much of it and it's just something to further sensationalize an already nasty election cycle. You and I click the articles and talk about it here, so clearly it works.

What bugs me is how easily some people believe some of the "controversy"... my grandmother (she's pro-Trump, though not rabidly) asked me what I thought of Hillary's "illness" (as if to discredit it). Even if there was more going on. I don't think she would honestly with-hold the information in order to put one over on the public. A lot of these politicians are very loyal to the party and she has benefited very much from her place there, both financially and socially, in having those connections. Bill made lots of money on speeches and she's only been able to get into office using her connections there, so I don't think she would willingly sabotage her own party just so she can have her 15 minutes... Hillary may be questionable on some of her policies, but I don't think she would intentionally be an anarchist.

She is nearly 70 years old, so it's only normal she would have some issues. You and I go to the doctor for issues and are told we are OK until something unfortunately comes up. Just because we saw the doctor a little bit more than we used to doesn't necessarily give us reason to believe our bodies will start to fail at the worst time. Our medical system, as corrupt as it is financially speaking and even if she were diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure, you can live a long time before really seeing a major decline in health... as long as you follow doctor's orders and take medication and watch diet as prescribed. A lot of people don't watch their hypertension and as time goes on, it weakens the heart muscle... even without being diagnosed CHF, it will eventually lead to that issue.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by the truth

lol no shes a liar and to say shes perfectly healthy means shes got the doctor to lie. we already know for a fact she has pneumonia , she is on warfin, she did collapse and shes been coughing like hell for ages and loses her voice...anyone who tried to ignore all that and says shes perfectly healthy is simply a liar

Exactly, we know about the walking pneumonia, we know about her past health issues, noone is ignoring anything. The point is that none of that deems her unfit to be president. I don't understand why that's so difficult to grasp so I'm just gonna give up now because it's getting (intentionally?) silly.

[Cherie]

Given both of them are more likely to be assassinated than die from natural causes I don't see the point in releasing medical records, you can develop disease from one day to the next or have a life changing accident so it means nothing.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Maru

It is a distraction at worst. Local offices, when relevant to the position, share this information readily though and there's usually nothing made of it. That's probably why it seems so bad in this case... but something very common because the average citizen considers this information to be relevant to their elect-ability.

This election has gone to the level of ridic, but we can largely blame the media for that (I blame the media for a lot when it comes to our politics tbqf). Most people don't think that much of it and it's just something to further sensationalize an already nasty election cycle. You and I click the articles and talk about it here, so clearly it works.

What bugs me is how easily some people believe some of the "controversy"... my grandmother (she's pro-Trump, though not rabidly) asked me what I thought of Hillary's "illness" (as if to discredit it). Even if there was more going on. I don't think she would honestly with-hold the information in order to put one over on the public. A lot of these politicians are very loyal to the party and she has benefited very much from her place there, both financially and socially, in having those connections. Bill made lots of money on speeches and she's only been able to get into office using her connections there, so I don't think she would willingly sabotage her own party just so she can have her 15 minutes... Hillary may be questionable on some of her policies, but I don't think she would intentionally be an anarchist.

She is nearly 70 years old, so it's only normal she would have some issues. You and I go to the doctor for issues and are told we are OK until something unfortunately comes up. Just because we saw the doctor a little bit more than we used to doesn't necessarily give us reason to believe our bodies will start to fail at the worst time. Our medical system, as corrupt as it is financially speaking and even if she were diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure, you can live a long time before really seeing a major decline in health... as long as you follow doctor's orders and take medication and watch diet as prescribed. A lot of people don't watch their hypertension and as time goes on, it weakens the heart muscle... even without being diagnosed CHF, it will eventually lead to that issue.

Yeah I agree that the ridiculousness has been media driven. It's actually reminded me a lot of when people were calling for Obama to release his birth certificate (a black man needing to provide documentation to prove where he's from / a woman needing to provide documentation to prove she's not weak)... there's nothing necessarily wrong with wanting to know these things but the way in which it gets discussed it does seem sometimes that if you're not a white male then you're going to have to deal with a lot more scrutiny and accusations and it just bothers me that that's still the case. But yes that's more the media, and the way certain elements of the public twist things rather than it being a problem with the system itself.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Yeah I agree that the ridiculousness has been media driven. It's actually reminded me a lot of when people were calling for Obama to release his birth certificate (a black man needing to provide documentation to prove where he's from / a woman needing to provide documentation to prove she's not weak)... there's nothing necessarily wrong with wanting to know these things but the way in which it gets discussed it does seem sometimes that if you're not a white male then you're going to have to deal with a lot more scrutiny and accusations and it just bothers me that that's still the case. But yes that's more the media, and the way certain elements of the public twist things rather than it being a problem with the system itself.

I know. The media here is so easily trolled. Any fool with a microphone and the ability to stir the public can get a platform. It is so ironic too, because they often claim to be patriotic organizations and yet in covering it irresponsibly they are hindering the democratic processes in our country. If the media were to cover things more responsibly, I don't think we would have half our issues.

There will always be interest groups with conspiracy theories though. It's un-American to not wonder if there is a conspiracy behind 9/11, if aliens killed JFK or if Area 51 has an Illuminati-based cloud server in Syria cloud server... etc

[Brother Leon]

Hilary's health is no concern in terms of her being President. It's become a huge issue over nothing. The concern should be that she is Hilary Clinton..

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by the truth

i dont care what the quack wrote, hes clearly under orders to lie and spin for hillarys corrupt mob. anyone with a brain can see she is ill

Originally Posted by Jamie89

So you're not going to believe anything she or a doctor says regarding her health, unless it fits with your own personal diagnosis of her? What's even the point...

I called this in another thread... that every one claims to want "the truth" about her health...but when presented with the truth... they still won't believe it. So yeah...there is no point

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Given both of them are more likely to be assassinated than die from natural causes I don't see the point in releasing medical records, you can develop disease from one day to the next or have a life changing accident so it means nothing.

Exactly

[Maru]

Donald Trump medical results released

Trump disclosing his medical records in 60 seconds
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politi...tails-stamina/

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by the truth

lol no shes a liar and to say shes perfectly healthy means shes got the doctor to lie. we already know for a fact she has pneumonia , she is on warfin, she did collapse and shes been coughing like hell for ages and loses her voice...anyone who tried to ignore all that and says shes perfectly healthy is simply a liar

Maybe she's just got a sh1t doctor

[Northern Monkey]

Imagine if one of them had crabs,How embarrassing