[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..indeed they were...but I think (and not meaning to be controversial at all..)...that Kizzy has also made some points in the thread that are very valid also in that it does matter how the media portray as in 'muslim'... and I'm saying that having read quite a few global articles now....all saying basically the same because there isn't really anything to say other than the words of the lady...but it's more the many comments that have been made from some readers and really quite something in their racism and 'hate'../I mean awful but sadly commonplace as well because to some and far too many...?...'Muslim' has come to be representative of fear and hate for them with the rise of ISIS and terrorist acts ....we're all sensible people, we can distinguish and separate but some can't and don't so there is an importance of accurate reporting..(I feel anyway..)....if wording like Muslim and 'forced' are used in media titles, which neither are true it would seem...then it's just going to be provocative in negativity....

Don't you think that is part of the problem though, businesses are so frightened of appearing racist and hurting their brand they are rolling over to ridiculous requests that would not be tolerated from other groups of people?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..indeed they were...but I think (and not meaning to be controversial at all..)...that Kizzy has also made some points in the thread that are very valid also in that it does matter how the media portray as in 'muslim'... and I'm saying that having read quite a few global articles now....all saying basically the same because there isn't really anything to say other than the words of the lady...but it's more the many comments that have been made from some readers and really quite something in their racism and 'hate'../I mean awful but sadly commonplace as well because to some and far too many...?...'Muslim' has come to be representative of fear and hate for them with the rise of ISIS and terrorist acts ....we're all sensible people, we can distinguish and separate but some can't and don't so there is an importance of accurate reporting..(I feel anyway..)....if wording like Muslim and 'forced' are used in media titles, which neither are true it would seem...then it's just going to be provocative in negativity....

there is bias in all reporting though, and there is always an agenda behind it. Just sometimes we are more accepting of the agenda.

I think its up to us as individuals to treat reporting with the respect/contempt it deserves based on its content.

While i'm not happy with hatred of any type, I do believe the world has become much to politically correct toward certain sensitive subjects, and that forces agendas to be pursued using methods like this. We can't change the way people are, they do have thoughts if they don't agree with something and artificial suppression makes the problem worse, I think.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there is bias in all reporting though, and there is always an agenda behind it. Just sometimes we are more accepting of the agenda.

I think its up to us as individuals to treat reporting with the respect/contempt it deserves based on its content.

While i'm not happy with hatred of any type, I do believe the world has become much to politically correct toward certain sensitive subjects, and that forces agendas to be pursued using methods like this. We can't change the way people are, they do have thoughts if they don't agree with something and artificial suppression makes the problem worse, I think.

....hate in the content of how it was being expressed on some of these media reporting sites should always be supressed and not be allowed its voice at all ...it should be charged and it should be accountable and any media which is provocative/supportive of hate in it's reporting should also be accountable...I love how PC is brought into bear in feeling how wrong something is and feeling its importance and danger in that wrong/..I'll take my PC ass off the forum now because I have lots to do today.....(btw, this wasn't slanting in reporting, the media headlines were incorrect to the facts as they appear to be and were left to be incorrect..)...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hate in the content of how it was being expressed on some of these media reporting sites should always be supressed and not be allowed its voice at all ...it should be charged and it should be accountable and any media which is provocative/supportive of hate in it's reporting should also be accountable...I love how PC is brought into bear in feeling how wrong something is and feeling its importance and danger in that wrong/..I'll take my PC ass off the forum now because I have lots to do today.....

i think you are not hearing what I'm saying. Its PC culture that ultimately contributes to hate items, because people are suppressed from voicing opinions in a natural flow. Where hateful feelings are allowed to fester and then the floodgates are unleashed in a destructive way.

Feel free to be as PC as you like, and i will continue to mutter away in my corner

[Northern Monkey]

Well i did say it was the airlines fault back on page 1

[user104658]

I am 100% certain that this video was posted to highlight women's rights and had absolutely nothing at all to do with the fact that it was supposedly Muslims. .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I am 100% certain that this video was posted to highlight women's rights and had absolutely nothing at all to do with the fact that it was supposedly Muslims. .

...Niamh's USA flight..?...and leaving us a thread while she's away...

[Crimson Dynamo]

you can repsect people's views however bat**** they are but religion should be given no favour, "oh you are a monk are you so what? Oh you are a vicar that is great I drive a bus, oh you are a full veil wearing muslim big deal I have on cords"

etc

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"I drive a bus. I have on cords"

What nonsense LT... no one has worn cords since before the invention of the wheel. Get your story straight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What nonsense LT... no one has worn cords since before the invention of the wheel. Get your story straight.

I have a nice pair of country green cord trousers in my clothing rotation

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have a nice pair of country green cord trousers in my clothing rotation

so have I

[user104658]

IMO the limitations of "political correctness" begin when being (supposedly) politically correct begins to cause others to suffer. I don't mean "because they're not free to say or do whatever they want boo hoo" etc. but yes, this would be a good example, it's not OK to discriminate against women because doing so is part of a faith, and therefore it's "PC" to respect that faith. Equality wins out over adhering to / respecting a belief system, always.

I also do not believe in positive discrimination, of any kind, in the slightest... which is another limitation.

[Tom4784]

People that complain about 'PC gone mad' are often the same people who have bigotted views and can't accept that the world has moved on from a point when their views were considered the majority.

As I've said a thousand times, you're entitled to your opinion but so is everyone else and everyone is entitled to their thoughts on other opinions too. Too many people think that 'I'm entitled to my opinion' means 'You can't question my opinion or have an opinion that opposes mine'.

[Kizzy]

Bah! PC research? No thank you!

[Northern Monkey]

Also we've already established that the religion of these two is not important to the story.It shouldn't have happened on any airline but especially not a western one where womens rights are equal to mens.The way this was reported is inconsequential to the outcome.The religion keeps getting brought up but that doesn't change the fact that a woman was forced out of her seat which she had paid for.The bad reporting is just a distraction to the issue.

[Cherie]

Also, and I have to say I'm quite annoyed now as the intimation is that a member is being targeted, if I feel strongly enough about something it doesnt matter to me if we are "friends" or not, as an example Kizzy and I have been battering each other over another issue, that's not to say that I won't agree with her on a different subject tomorrow, and that I still love her SD is being killed by the notion that some people can have their say and not be pulled up on it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Also, and I have to say I'm quite annoyed now as the intimation is that a member is being targeted, if I feel strongly enough about something it doesnt matter to me if we are "friends" or not, as an example Kizzy and I have been battering each other over another issue, that's not to say that I won't agree with her on a different subject tomorrow, and that I still love her SD is being killed by the notion that some people can have their say and not be pulled up on it

True

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Also we've already established that the religion of these two is not important to the story.It shouldn't have happened on any airline but especially not a western one where womens rights are equal to mens.The way this was reported is inconsequential to the outcome.The religion keeps getting brought up but that doesn't change the fact that a woman was forced out of her seat which she had paid for.The bad reporting is just a distraction to the issue.

And this is precisely why most of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. If people looked at both sides of the story, and still sided with the woman, then fine. But as far as I can see every single person who sides wih the woman on this thread has completely ignored one half of the story, their opinion on the subject barely matters.

and to Cherie no, if you want to fight for common decency, then practice it - we all have our line, i personally dont believe anybody can really say much about gender equality when they clearly dont care for religious beliefs. Monks arent against gender equality, those who havent reached sunyata are taught that they themselves should not approach women because they are not at a high enough level yet. The outrage on this thread is simply stupid. But what would i know, i'm 5. Although maybe a 5 year old whos open to research and both sides of the story is a tad more mature than the adults here.

The cake situation would be similar if the bakers refused because their hands werent good enough for gay men. So. Thats convos done. Obviously.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

And this is precisely why most of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. If people looked at both sides of the story, and still sided with the woman, then fine. But as far as I can see every single person who sides wih the woman on this thread has completely ignored one half of the story, their opinion on the subject barely matters.

and to Cherie no, if you want to fight for common decency, then practice it - we all have our line, i personally dont believe anybody can really say much about gender equality when they clearly dont care for religious beliefs. Monks arent against gender equality, those who havent reached sunyata are taught that they themselves should not approach women because they are not at a high enough level yet. The outrage on this thread is simply stupid. But what would i know, i'm 5. Although maybe a 5 year old whos open to research and both sides of the story is a tad more mature than the adults here.

The cake situation would be similar if the bakers refused because their hands werent good enough for gay men. So. Thats convos done. Obviously.

The cake situation is exactly the same, it's just Christain beliefs aren't as trendy to uphold as other religions these days

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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The cake situation is exactly the same, it's just Christain beliefs aren't as trendy to uphold as other religions these days

Truth

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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The cake situation is exactly the same, it's just Christain beliefs aren't as trendy to uphold as other religions these days

Theyre not exactly the same, i wont explain why again, you can reread the post above.

[Ammi]

..I don't think that trendy is a factor at all, I just don't get that...Christianity is respected by most, equally as other religions and beliefs are..but those beliefs with the cake baking also discriminated against and infringed on the rights of others...the airline in their 'respect' as it were for the beliefs and practises of the monks also discriminated and their discrimination also infringed on the rights of others or another so both are indeed equal in how they have been viewed.../no trends involved that would favour one over the other...Withano was never questioning the discrimination...all he was saying basically is...why not take a few moments out of a day to understand the practises/beliefs etc of different less familiar cultures as well...it wouldn't and shouldn't make any difference to the conclusion of it being discrimination with what happened and with the airline...but it does help in general understanding and knowledge which is never a bad thing...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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The cake situation is exactly the same, it's just Christain beliefs aren't as trendy to uphold as other religions these days

Yup.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

And this is precisely why most of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. If people looked at both sides of the story, and still sided with the woman, then fine. But as far as I can see every single person who sides wih the woman on this thread has completely ignored one half of the story, their opinion on the subject barely matters.

and to Cherie no, if you want to fight for common decency, then practice it - we all have our line, i personally dont believe anybody can really say much about gender equality when they clearly dont care for religious beliefs. Monks arent against gender equality, those who havent reached sunyata are taught that they themselves should not approach women because they are not at a high enough level yet. The outrage on this thread is simply stupid. But what would i know, i'm 5. Although maybe a 5 year old whos open to research and both sides of the story is a tad more mature than the adults here.

The cake situation would be similar if the bakers refused because their hands werent good enough for gay men. So. Thats convos done. Obviously.

Wow. I'll argue my point with anyone but really calling half the thread stupid is going a little far. Perhaps this is why I find your posts a bit offensive sometimes, arrogance.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Wow. I'll argue my point with anyone but really calling half the thread stupid is going a little far. Perhaps this is why I find your posts a bit offensive sometimes, arrogance.

I called the outrage on the thread stupid. And it is.

If a person is mad that a woman was asked to move seats whilst refusing half of the story, then their outrage is childish. Theres a simple explanation which would minimise their outrage and if they refuse this information, then their outrage is at best, simply unfounded.

If you accept both perspectives but still side entirely with the woman, i dont believe you can cry for social justice. Im a fan of practice what you preach.