[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's quite strange really.Like what is it that these remainers want?Because so far every remainer who has been publicly asked(i've seen three today) has said that they're going to vote to trigger article fifty.
It seems the only thing they seem to want so far is to undermine the country's negotiating position.If they manage that then it's a worse deal for all of them and us
They discuss it publicly in parliament and give the countrys position away and its still going to happen anyway.It's a counter productive excercise.

Finally, the penny drops ...thank feck.

Transparency, that's what we want.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Finally, the penny drops ...thank feck.

Transparency, that's what we want.

But it's going to make zero difference other than possibly a worse deal.
It doesn't matter what's said in parliament because when it comes down to the nitty gritty,when we negotiate with 27 other countries we'll end up with whatever we end up with.Parliament can chat about it until they're blue in the face and it won't help anyone.It will only weaken the country's position.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

But it's going to make zero difference other than possibly a worse deal.
It doesn't matter what's said in parliament because when it comes down to the nitty gritty,when we negotiate with 27 other countries we'll end up with whatever we end up with.Parliament can chat about it until they're blue in the face and it won't help anyone.It will only weaken the country's position.

Why would it... All it would mean would be that all 27 countries governing bodies would know more than our own parliament... How is that what anyone wanted?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Finally, the penny drops ...thank feck.

Transparency, that's what we want.

That's not true. it's a point scoring exercise and a desperate attempt to slow or halt Brexit. All the politicians baying for their say are playing politics and trying to undermine the government's position and any bargaining will be messed up. It's pretty dumb and it's going to alienate people from parliament further.

On the bright side it makes any further Scottish referendum pointless and unviable.

I just hope if it ruins any negotiation that it will force hard brexit.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's not true. it's a point scoring exercise and a desperate attempt to slow or halt Brexit. All the politicians baying for their say are playing politics and trying to undermine the government's position and any bargaining will be messed up. It's pretty dumb and it's going to alienate people from parliament further.

On the bright side it makes any further Scottish referendum pointless and unviable.

I just hope if it ruins any negotiation that it will force hard brexit.

It certainly seems that way as putting it through parliament will have no actual benefit to us as a country.Specially not those who want to remain in the single market i.e 'soft Bexit'.It does seem like a bunch of sour grapes.A way to vent some frustration at the result of June 23rd.
It's kind of poetic justice if you think about it.Remainers are the main proponents of 'soft Brexit' and a group of remainers have just gone to court and possibly just ruined their chances of getting a soft Brexit.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's not true. it's a point scoring exercise and a desperate attempt to slow or halt Brexit. All the politicians baying for their say are playing politics and trying to undermine the government's position and any bargaining will be messed up. It's pretty dumb and it's going to alienate people from parliament further.

On the bright side it makes any further Scottish referendum pointless and unviable.

I just hope if it ruins any negotiation that it will force hard brexit.

You are making no sense, politicians don't 'play' at it they are elected by us as our representatives, again that's democracy.
What will be messed up, how would knowing what is being negotiated mess it up?
Hard brexit will ruin the country, we can't afford to sit in the WTO.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are making no sense, politicians don't 'play' at it they are elected by us as our representatives, again that's democracy.
What will be messed up, how would knowing what is being negotiated mess it up?
Hard brexit will ruin the country, we can't afford to sit in the WTO.

When you head into a negotiation you don't tell everyone what your negotiating stand point is. That's just ridiculous.

I can't help it if you don't understand the points I am making.

Of course political parties play at point scoring over each other, it's one of the things that frequently disgusts the populace.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

When you head into a negotiation you don't tell everyone what your negotiating stand point is. That's just ridiculous.

I can't help it if you don't understand the points I am making.

Of course political parties play at point scoring over each other, it's one of the things that frequently disgusts the populace.

I understand perfectly, you would rather the parliaments of all 27 nations be aware of the proposals before ours... That is what would be happening.
Our representatives would be in the dark.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I understand perfectly, you would rather the parliaments of all 27 nations be aware of the proposals before ours... That is what would be happening.
Our representatives would be in the dark.

Well I rather thought our negotiating team would talk to their team first. I doubt they are going to be negotiating with 27 countries Parliament's, nothing would ever get done if they were!

First you say you say I make no sense, then you say you understand perfectly. I wish you would make up your mind.