[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

So what.

He did not ask them


Its DEMOCRACY

While that is true, I think he would look far more credible with a massive condemnation of them of their very existence still and all their past activities.

Sitting back letting them gain any publicity at all does not look good at all.

Certainly an organisation no one should be wanting, getting or accepting the support of in any shape or form, in my view.

[Jamie89]

This still bothers me about him

Youtube video

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

While that is true, I think he would look far more credible with a massive condemnation of them of their very existence still and all their past activities.

Sitting back letting them gain any publicity at all does not look good at all.

Certainly an organisation no one should be wanting, getting or accepting the support of in any shape or form, in my view.

Back in March of 2016, Donald Trump repeatedly condemned both David Duke AND the KKK:

Trump denounces David Duke, KKK

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump issued a crystal clear disavowal Thursday of former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke after stumbling last weekend over a question about the hate group leader on CNN.

"David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years," Trump said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
"I disavowed him. I disavowed the KKK," Trump added. "Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time? I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now."
The uproar started on Sunday when Trump was asked by CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" if he would disavow Duke and other white supremacist groups supporting his campaign.
"Just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?" Trump responded.
The next day, Trump blamed a "bad earpiece" during an appearance on NBC's "Today" show.

[Saturn]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Endorse some of Trumps hard line appointments

I think that you are being a little tabloid in the treatment of the facts here and making a bridge that does not exist. If you read the article below it actually straightens this out and to be quite honest its really a "nothing to see here folks" kind of affair? Whilst I do not like this man its too easy to just throw our hands in the air and level insults and half-truths. Remember anyone can say they support anyone but it may not be a two-way support as it is here.

"The Trump campaign sharply and swiftly criticized the article. "Mr. Trump and the campaign denounces hate in any form," the campaign said in a statement Tuesday evening. "This publication is repulsive and their views do not represent the tens of millions of Americans who are uniting behind our campaign.""


this is the article to which the quote was lifted:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...for-president/

[Tom4784]

Most of his likely appointments thus far have shady histories when it comes to bigotry, The KKK's support doesn't surprise me.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

This still bothers me about him

Youtube video

Yes, me too. Very much so. He claims to know nothing about David Duke, which is an outright lie. He evades the question about the KKK, which is even more worrying. He should be denouncing both loud and clear. It's blatantly obvious he doesn't want to and is wriggling out of doing so regarding both and that is nothing short of horrific!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Most of his likely appointments thus far have shady histories when it comes to bigotry, The KKK's support doesn't surprise me.

Agreed. It's not getting any more reassuring, is it?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Trump trying to deflect attention from Trump university lawsuit by going on about what Theatre actors said to Mike Pence. All they did was ask for inclusion.

He's going on about this but yet nothing to say about a group doing a parade in his honour, a group who actually has a history of harassing and killing, but eh, because the Hamilton actors asked for inclusion in reforms, they were harassing. Fook sake I absolutely loathe him.

I read some fortune teller that died correctly guessed 9/11 and Obama in like 1996 and said Obama will be the last US president, leading us to believe something major might happen between now and inauguration...please let it be lawd. Please.

[jaxie]

I'm not a Trump fan but to be fair anyone can choose to support anyone else without the person they are supporting having any say in that or anything to do with them.

I could say I'm a follower of Dezzy, Dezzy might hate that because we have conflicting views but there is nothing he can do about it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not a Trump fan but to be fair anyone can choose to support anyone else without the person they are supporting having any say in that or anything to do with them.

I could say I'm a follower of Dezzy, Dezzy might hate that because we have conflicting views but there is nothing he can do about it.

True but the KKK support along with all the likely candidates for his administration tell a terrifying story. I don't think there's been a single likely candidate that hasn't been involved in bigotry thus far.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not a Trump fan but to be fair anyone can choose to support anyone else without the person they are supporting having any say in that or anything to do with them.

I could say I'm a follower of Dezzy, Dezzy might hate that because we have conflicting views but there is nothing he can do about it.

Yeah but Dezzy is not a sadistic organisation that's been dormant for years only to announce themselves visibly active again when he's about to bePresident.

For all we know Trump has been liasing with them talmbout, don't worry about it boos, I got you when i'm elect. Where is this new found confidence coming from to be honest. I fear for the everyday people that will go to their doctor not knowing he's going to be jolly, wearing that pound sheet in the weekend or evenings.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Yeah but Dezzy is not a sadistic organisation that's been dormant for years only to announce themselves visibly active again when he's about to bePresident.

For all we know Trump has been liasing with them talmbout, don't worry about it boos, I got you when i'm elect. Where is this new found confidence coming from to be honest. I fear for the everyday people that will go to their doctor not knowing he's going to be jolly, wearing that pound sheet in the weekend or evenings.

Trump very well might be their best mate but in the interest of fairness there is no proof to that end and you can't really hold someone culpable because someone disreputable decides to like them.

Yeah I just mentioned Dezzy as a fun example not because I think he looks like Donald Trump, though in the comparison I gave it was me who might have been likened to the sadistic organisation.

[Ammi]

..I think with Trump and a huge vein of his campaign in the beginning in particular...is that he actively threw racial prejudice and intolerance out there..and once it's out there it's not in his control anymore of how it grows and how it gathers moss and the consequences of that so he can't not take responsibility for 'awakening' something that other presidents have tried to progress from...whatever his views on the KKK, he does have to take some responsibility for their support because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism as well as any other reasons for supporting...he can't just take the good bits of support and dismiss the grim and concerning bits which he has played a part in with a hmmmm, nothing to do with me type thing....this has always been the thing for me, you can't just take things back/the effects and result of, once something is put out there and out of your control once released...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think with Trump and a huge vein of his campaign in the beginning I particular...is that he actively threw racial prejudice and intolerance out there..and once it's out there it's not in his control anymore of how it grows and how it gathers moss and the consequences of that so he can't not take responsibility an 'awakening' something that other presidents have tried to progress from...whatever his views on the KKK, he does have to take some responsibility for their support because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism as well as any other reasons for supporting...he can't just take the good bits of support and dismiss the grim and concerning bits which he has played a part in with a hmmmm, nothing to do with me type thing....this has always been the thing for me, you can't just take things back/the effects and result of, once something is put out there and out of your control once released...

Totally right again.I agree with all that.

[Saturn]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think with Trump and a huge vein of his campaign in the beginning in particular...is that he actively threw racial prejudice and intolerance out there..and once it's out there it's not in his control anymore of how it grows and how it gathers moss and the consequences of that so he can't not take responsibility for 'awakening' something that other presidents have tried to progress from...whatever his views on the KKK, he does have to take some responsibility for their support because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism as well as any other reasons for supporting...he can't just take the good bits of support and dismiss the grim and concerning bits which he has played a part in with a hmmmm, nothing to do with me type thing....this has always been the thing for me, you can't just take things back/the effects and result of, once something is put out there and out of your control once released...

"because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism"


How do you know this to be a true fact or are you just surmising because if you are surmising that is not a nice thing to do?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Saturn

"because he very well knew that he would get the support of extreme racism"


How do you know this to be a true fact or are you just surmising because if you are surmising that is not a nice thing to do?

He literally only came to prominence in the race for the republican nomination because of his racist views. It's only common sense that he, a Reality TV star, would know how to market himself to a particular audience. He chose the extreme right and ran with it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Back in March of 2016, Donald Trump repeatedly condemned both David Duke AND the KKK:

Trump denounces David Duke, KKK

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump issued a crystal clear disavowal Thursday of former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke after stumbling last weekend over a question about the hate group leader on CNN.

"David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years," Trump said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
"I disavowed him. I disavowed the KKK," Trump added. "Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time? I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now."
The uproar started on Sunday when Trump was asked by CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" if he would disavow Duke and other white supremacist groups supporting his campaign.
"Just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?" Trump responded.
The next day, Trump blamed a "bad earpiece" during an appearance on NBC's "Today" show.

Well.That settles that then.He disavowed them.Numerous times.

[Saturn]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He literally only came to prominence in the race for the republican nomination because of his racist views. It's only common sense that he, a Reality TV star, would know how to market himself to a particular audience. He chose the extreme right and ran with it.

But you and the other black and white lady are just surmising and that is my point in this matter and then selling it off as factual information?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Saturn

But you and the other black and white lady are just surmising and that is my point in this matter and then selling it off as factual information?

It's called analysing the situation.

Trump only got the nomination because of his views, this is proven by the fact that his support and odds drifted during the election any time he tried to backtrack on those views or be more moderate in his approach.

[Saturn]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's called analysing the situation.

Trump only got the nomination because of his views, this is proven by the fact that his support and odds drifted during the election any time he tried to backtrack on those views or be more moderate in his approach.

Well I would call it making things up but that is my opinion on this matter and im not saying anymore?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Saturn

Well I would call it making things up but that is my opinion on this matter and im not saying anymore?

Then you don't understand what a debate is.

If you disagree with what someone has said then it's down to you to prove their logic wrong. you can't just demand proof and then throw a fit when things don't go your way.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Then you don't understand what a debate is.

If you disagree with what someone has said then it's down to you to prove their logic wrong. you can't just demand proof and then throw a fit when things don't go your way.

Dictionary doesn't say anything about having to prove you wrong. The idea is for each side to give their arguments and back them up accordingly or not. The burden of proof isn't on someone else to prove you wrong. The burden of proof is on you to prove you are right.

Am thinking it isn't Saturn who doesn't know what a debate is.

debate
dɪˈbeɪt/Submit
noun
1.
a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward and which usually ends with a vote.
"last night's debate on the Education Bill"
synonyms: discussion, exchange of views, discourse, parley; More
verb
1.
argue about (a subject), especially in a formal manner.
"MPs debated the issue in the Commons"
synonyms: discuss, confer about, talk over, talk through, talk about, exchange views on, exchange views about, thrash out, argue, argue about, argue the pros and cons of, dispute, wrangle over, bandy words concerning, contend over, contest, controvert, moot; More

[Saturn]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Then you don't understand what a debate is.

If you disagree with what someone has said then it's down to you to prove their logic wrong. you can't just demand proof and then throw a fit when things don't go your way.

Why are you saying that I am "throwing a fit" just because I said that you were presenting surmisation as fact, that is mean?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Saturn

Why are you saying that I am "throwing a fit" just because I said that you were presenting surmisation as fact, that is mean?

I said you were throwing a fit because you said ended the post with 'I'm not saying anymore' which very much sounds like you taking the ball and going home.

If someone makes a statement I disagree with, I'll research it and prove them wrong, I expect everyone else to do the same. Demanding proof is just a lazy out, find the proof and attempt to prove me wrong.

Trump came to prominence because he wanted to build a wall, he called Mexicans rapists and he wanted to ban Muslims from the US. That's what got him the Republican nomination. If he was more moderate he would not have gotten the nod. Look at any time his support dipped and I'd bet money that it coincided with occasions where he tried to backtrack on his earlier campaign promises.

He got the white house because of an ignorant anti-establishment vote but he wouldn't have gotten anywhere if it weren't for the bigoted core demographic he courted early on with the Republican race.

[Saturn]

Can I also tell the lady that made this debate thread that it is the Ku Klux Klan and not Klu as that for some reason is a common error in the spelling.