[jaxie]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7418981.html

Sounds like it isn't all set in stone after all.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7418981.html

Sounds like it isn't all set in stone after all.

Personally I wouldn't trust a word she says.

[Northern Monkey]

I don't think staying in the single market is the best option tbh.Britain voted to 'Take back control'.Staying under EU regulations by staying in the single market is not taking back control.I think we should be out making our own bilateral agreements with all the growing economies around the world.The EU is not growing.Infact the only continent with worse growth is Antarctica.Not to mention the EU is crap at making trade deals.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I don't think staying in the single market is the best option tbh.Britain voted to 'Take back control'.Staying under EU regulations by staying in the single market is not taking back control.I think we should be out making our own bilateral agreements with all the growing economies around the world.The EU is not growing.Infact the only continent with worse growth is Antarctica.Not to mention the EU is crap at making trade deals.

Do you really think it's a brilliant idea to tie ourselves so closely to these growing economies, though? At what point does it stop just being about trade and get to the point where our way of life / way of work has to change to "fit" with those economies?

Do you REALLY want future generations of Brits to live like anonymous drones like 99.9% of people in China / India do? It seems like a very slippery slope. People who really believe in "Great Old Britain" would do (very) well to remember, very carefully, that we are culturally European and that is the life we live. Yes we have a lot in common with other places like the US, Canada, Australia also... but those places, too, are for the mostpart culturally European with their own quirks.

The EU is not growing like other continents because the EU is packed with developed economies as opposed to developing economies. You DON'T want to live in a developing economy, it's a ****ing crappy life .

[Livia]

Who elected Angela Merkel to speak for the EU?

No one.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do you really think it's a brilliant idea to tie ourselves so closely to these growing economies, though? At what point does it stop just being about trade and get to the point where our way of life / way of work has to change to "fit" with those economies?

Do you REALLY want future generations of Brits to live like anonymous drones like 99.9% of people in China / India do? It seems like a very slippery slope. People who really believe in "Great Old Britain" would do (very) well to remember, very carefully, that we are culturally European and that is the life we live. Yes we have a lot in common with other places like the US, Canada, Australia also... but those places, too, are for the mostpart culturally European with their own quirks.

The EU is not growing like other continents because the EU is packed with developed economies as opposed to developing economies. You DON'T want to live in a developing economy, it's a ****ing crappy life .

I'm only talking about trade deals not another dictatorship like the EU which ceased to become just a trading block and became a political 'union' and i say union loosely as it is more of a dictatorship now.
We are never going to go backwards to become China or India.If anything those countries are progressing.They aren't going to put restrictions on us like the EU does because they want to do well.Trump looks on the UK favourably unlike Obama who wanted to put us "To the back of the queue",Canada has waited 10 years or so to try and strike a deal with the ridiculous EU and i think would love to do a deal with Britain and much quicker.EU countries need to trade with us and I believe will push to get deals done no matter what pre-negotiation rhetoric the EU wants to spout.It is not in their interests to mess us about as it affects them negatively too.Who knows,Brexit may be the catalyst that gets them to pull their finger out and do something about their inward looking trading policies.Imo

[Toy Soldier]

I think if you forge trade deals like that it's only a matter of time before you get "culture bleeds", in order to keep up. George Osborne was already talking about "Tiger parenting" and essentially abusing kids into a life of anxiety via endless harsh schooling in order to "keep up with" (miserable, stressed) Chinese students if I remember correctly, long before Brexit.

I agree that free trade and open borders (for residence) shouldn't be so firmly linked but I think it's exceptionally naive to think that we can simply ignore our biggest, closest, most culturally relevant marketplace in favour of other foreign trade and expect it to even compare economically.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do you really think it's a brilliant idea to tie ourselves so closely to these growing economies, though? At what point does it stop just being about trade and get to the point where our way of life / way of work has to change to "fit" with those economies?

Do you REALLY want future generations of Brits to live like anonymous drones like 99.9% of people in China / India do? It seems like a very slippery slope. People who really believe in "Great Old Britain" would do (very) well to remember, very carefully, that we are culturally European and that is the life we live. Yes we have a lot in common with other places like the US, Canada, Australia also... but those places, too, are for the mostpart culturally European with their own quirks.

The EU is not growing like other continents because the EU is packed with developed economies as opposed to developing economies. You DON'T want to live in a developing economy, it's a ****ing crappy life .

Reading George Orwells 1984 made me think that the European Union could become that kind of world.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who elected Angela Merkel to speak for the EU?

No one.

That's exactly right but in reality she calls the shots. I just thought it was interesting that the EU keep saying no compromise and yet she seems to be offering some sort of compromise.

Personally the more the EU posture and threaten, the happier I am that we voted for Brexit.

[BBfanUSA]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who elected Angela Merkel to speak for the EU?

No one.

That might be true but with Le Pen and others similar far right organizations growing in the west, who want to leave the EU as well, she basically is.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do you really think it's a brilliant idea to tie ourselves so closely to these growing economies, though? At what point does it stop just being about trade and get to the point where our way of life / way of work has to change to "fit" with those economies?

Do you REALLY want future generations of Brits to live like anonymous drones like 99.9% of people in China / India do? It seems like a very slippery slope. People who really believe in "Great Old Britain" would do (very) well to remember, very carefully, that we are culturally European and that is the life we live. Yes we have a lot in common with other places like the US, Canada, Australia also... but those places, too, are for the mostpart culturally European with their own quirks.

The EU is not growing like other continents because the EU is packed with developed economies as opposed to developing economies. You DON'T want to live in a developing economy, it's a ****ing crappy life .

Isn't this exactly what happened with the EU?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personally I wouldn't trust a word she says.

Plus will she
Win her Election?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by BBfanUSA

That might be true but with Le Pen and others similar far right organizations growing in the west, who want to leave the EU as well, she basically is.

And why do you think Le Pen and other far right organisations are growing?
I think it is because Merkel opened the floodgates to Europe and made the migration crisis a whole lot worse.Not to mention the EU's terrible handling of the situation.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

And why do you think Le Pen and other far right organisations are growing?
I think it is because Merkel opened the floodgates to Europe and made the migration crisis a whole lot worse.Not to mention the EU's terrible handling of the situation.

Completely agree!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's exactly right but in reality she calls the shots. I just thought it was interesting that the EU keep saying no compromise and yet she seems to be offering some sort of compromise.

Personally the more the EU posture and threaten, the happier I am that we voted for Brexit.

Her own election is next Autumn. I can't wait to see how she does.....

Originally Posted by BBfanUSA

That might be true but with Le Pen and others similar far right organizations growing in the west, who want to leave the EU as well, she basically is.

Like Monkey said, she's part of the reason for the rise of the Right. Europe has been flooded with people from all over the world and in an effort to prove to the world that her country has changed in the last 70 years, Merkel has set herself up as some kind of beacon for refugees. And now she and people with the same ideals will pay the price as they watch the Right take over. It's scary...