[Northern Monkey]

Theresa May wanted to take EU and UK citizens off the BREXIT negotiating table but Angela Merkel blocked it.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...?client=safari

[Cherie]

What happened to Angela's open doors policy...fine if you aren't from the UK?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Theresa May wanted to take EU and UK citizens off the BREXIT negotiating table but Angela Merkel blocked it.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ind...?client=safari

What a vile, vindictive woman.

[Kizzy]

Fair play... why should she cement the rights of EU and UK residents in Germany when the fate of EU and German residents in the UK are under wraps until 2017?.....

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

What happened to Angela's open doors policy...fine if you aren't from the UK?

So your saying everyone in this country counts as a refugee? I mean, I thought Brexit was an atrocity, but thinking it puts us on the same level as war torn Syrian asylum seekers is impressive.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niall

So your saying everyone in this country counts as a refugee? I mean, I thought Brexit was an atrocity, but thinking it puts us on the same level as war torn Syrian asylum seekers is impressive.

She also has an open door policy for economic migrants? I didn't see Germany making a distinction between allowing in refugees and economic migrants did you?


Incidentally I voted remain but I can be objective

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

She also has an open door policy for economic migrants? I didn't see Germany making a distinction between allowing in refugees and economic migrants did you?

So those registration centres that are still operating at full capacity across Germany to ferret out false migrants don't count?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36904425

Honestly, I think we should be more concerned about our insane prime minister trying to pull us out of every EU institution because she thinks we can ****ing 'have our cake and eat it' too in deference to Brexit. That's the real worry here.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niall

So those registration centres that are still operating at full capacity across Germany to ferret out false migrants don't count?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36904425

Honestly, I think we should be more concerned about our insane prime minister trying to pull us out of every EU institution because she thinks we can ****ing 'have our cake and eat it' too in deference to bpBrexit. That's the real worry here.

As it says in the article these are new centres set up after Merkls bluff was called and the world and his wife decended on Germany

I agree about the cake and eat it scenario first touted by Boris, that is not going to happen and nor should it, we have made our bed.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

She also has an open door policy for economic migrants? I didn't see Germany making a distinction between allowing in refugees and economic migrants did you?


Incidentally I voted remain but I can be objective

Objectivity is one of the things that makes you shine!

I don't really see the cake and eat it argument. We signed up once for a single market. Maastricht changed the whole thing and the people in the UK were never consulted. It had to be forced through parliament via dodgy dealings. I don't see a problem with elements of the UK wishing to have an agreement inclusive of what they actually agreed to while rejecting the political union forced upon them.

With regard the request to safeguard UK and EU citizens rights and put minds at rest. The PM is taking the moral high ground here and Merkel is looking like a dictator of Europe.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Objectivity is one of the things that makes you shine!

I don't really see the cake and eat it argument. We signed up once for a single market. Maastricht changed the whole thing and the people in the UK were never consulted. It had to be forced through parliament via dodgy dealings. I don't see a problem with elements of the UK wishing to have an agreement inclusive of what they actually agreed to while rejecting the political union forced upon them.

With regard the request to safeguard UK and EU citizens rights and put minds at rest. The PM is taking the moral high ground here and Merkel is looking like a dictator of Europe.

Wise words

I mean why not just take these people's lives out of the negotiations?
Unless of course the EU are planning on trying to use them to further their position.Theresa May was trying to do the right thing.

[Tom4784]

It's a fair move.

The people voted for Brexit wanted to leave the EU and they've got to deal with the reality of it. You can't choose to leave but then dip your toes back in the EU pool for benefits you want to keep.

Brexit voters can't have their cake and eat it too.

[Alf]

Italian referendum today and Austrian elections.

By the end of the day the EU will be in ruins.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a fair move.

The people voted for Brexit wanted to leave the EU and two they've got to deal with the reality of it. You can't choose to leave but then dip your toes back in the EU pool for benefits you want to keep.

Brexit voters can't have their cake and eat it too.

It's a fair move to use people as bargaining chips? Oook.

Personally I want a hard Brexit.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a fair move.

The people voted for Brexit wanted to leave the EU and two they've got to deal with the reality of it. You can't choose to leave but then dip your toes back in the EU pool for benefits you want to keep.

Brexit voters can't have their cake and eat it too.

Many Brexit voters didn't expect/want all this 'compromise' - it is the PM and the Tories, incidentally who were remainers, going for a softer Brexit so don't put it on Brexit voters.

[Kizzy]

Well then you wanted hard brexit, and that's what you've got, it's going to be really hard now for any UK citizens living/working in the EU so well done objective achieved.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Many Brexit voters didn't expect/want all this 'compromise' - it is the PM and the Tories, incidentally who were remainers, going for a softer Brexit so don't put it on Brexit voters.

If that's the case then why are other Brexit supporters in this thread alone acting like Merkel's holding them to ransom? Surely you should be happy that she's pushing a hard brexit.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'Remoaners'.





If that's the case then why are other Brexit supporters in this thread alone acting like Merkel's holding them to ransom? Surely you should be happy that she's pushing a hard brexit.

Can't speak for others, but at he time of the referendum it was either in or out and the majority wanted out. There was no talk of hard/soft Brexit.

All this watering-down of Brexit Has occurred since the vote causing some to feel more secure at the idea of a 'softer' Brexit. As long as the main reasons people voted out in the first place don't get ignored - which would amount to the sabotage of a democratic public vote.

[joeysteele]

Having talked to people who voted leave here in the UK, I got several reasons why they voted that way and a fair number 'just for a change' were the words used.

I think this govt. has made the whole thing farcical and I could even be led to believe that possibly they hope for more spanners to be thrown into the works possibly because they do not really want to do this.

I expected article 50 to be at least triggered just after the party conferences were held, it is this govt. who put 9 months from the date of the referendum to a currently preferred date by end of March.
By doing so, look what has actually come up meantime and also what has been allowed to gather momentum too.

Some who voted leave want a hard brexit, others want a more softer arrangement and I know people who voted leave who feel it was a waste of time and that it may even never come about.
I think it will but it does seem increasingly likely now that with her small majority as a govt. Theresa May will have to bow to a softer arrangement as to leaving.
That will suit me of course, however I feel pretty sure many who voted leave will likely be really upset and who in fact must already be fed up of the farcical way this has been played out by both remain supporting and leave sides.

Putting leaving aside and coming back to the thread title, really Theresa May could have really taken the bull by the horns and guaranteed the status of EU citizens already working here, that may have warmed the EU and Angela Merkel to to do the same for UK citizens.
Then work on the new arrangement after leaving as to any kind of free movement both ways.

That was the best chance to stop these people and their lives being bargaining chips and Theresa May failed to rise to that challenge.
In fact she seems to be clueless and failing to lead in any way on the issue whatsoever.

She for sure is no match for Angela Merkel at all, who is a strong leader and usually gets her way too.
I actually have a lot of time for Angela Merkel as a leading politician on the World stage.

[Kizzy]

What did people vote for exactly? as David Davis has already stated to business they would still have access to Eastern EU labour, so what was the driving force, I forget.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

Well then you wanted hard brexit, and that's what you've got, it's going to be really hard now for any UK citizens living/working in the EU so well done objective achieved.

Clearly you don't know what a hard Brexit is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Clearly you don't know what a hard Brexit is.

Of course I know .... Brexit means Brexit obv.