[anne666]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

It is tragic that so many people lose their lives, but I still think it's even more tragic that the situation in their respective countries becomes so dire that they need to flee. Surely, even if only from an economic point of view, it would be better to try to help them to live well in their own countries? After all what is NATO for if not to help other lands not to be ruled by despots.
I still wonder why so many try to get to Europe, when (if they are a muslim country, as so many seem to be) they would surely find a much warmer welcome and easier travel to other muslim countries?

The vast majority of refugees are hosted by their neighbouring countries though. Most of them are Muslim countries, like Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey and much poorer than European countries.
Aid agencies are grossly underfunded and there's nowhere left for many refugees to go, apart from risking their lives further by travelling to Europe. The EU were warned by UNHCR and others of the deteriorating situation around 3 years ago and they ignored it then instead spent inestimable billions in the wrong place, Europe and thousands have drowned and will continue to drown.
Germany's economic future is under serious threat because of their fertility rate, the lowest in the world. They need young fit and preferably fertile new workers at the rate of 500,000 annually! If other EU countries hadn't stopped their quest the inadequate Turkey deal would never have happened.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sanctimonious rubbish. The prime concern of genuine refugees is safety for themselves and their families. These people are choosing to bypass closer safe countries to head for Europe in search of a 'better life' which actually makes them economic migrants rather than refugees. It's the children I feel sorry for because they have no choice.

Being idealistic when you're young is easy, but seeing the bigger picture of the negative effects this has on people in Europe matters. People in Britain for example are actually dying because of the demand and pressure put on the health system by this mass migration which denies them access to the services they need when they need it, something constantly and conveniently ignored by the sanctimonious supporters of mass migration. And that is just one issue.

It seems the distinction between 'refugee' and 'migrant' needs to be made because some keep ignoring it an an attempt to tug at peoples' heart strings and lay a guilt trip on them.

Yes there are piss taking economic migrants from countries where they aren't under life threatening danger or which have safe areas. Which refugees are you talking about and which safe countries do they have to flee to?

[user104658]

This "first safe country" idea is utter nonsense. The nearby countries don't have the resources to keep these people alive... ... is the argument that once they are safe from being shot or blown up, they should be content to quietly starve to death?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

This "first safe country" idea is utter nonsense. The nearby countries don't have the resources to keep these people alive... ... is the argument that once they are safe from being shot or blown up, they should be content to quietly starve to death?

There are plenty of safe countries where they won't 'starve to death' before getting to Britain. Safe countries that don't have such a generous welfare system!

People are hungry/starving in many parts of the world are we supposed to take them all in?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by anne666

Yes there are piss taking economic migrants from countries where they aren't under life threatening danger or which have safe areas. Which refugees are you talking about and which safe countries do they have to flee to?

That depends because if they make a beeline for the wealthier Western countries they are not genuine refugees but economic migrants.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There are plenty of safe countries where they won't 'starve to death' before getting to Britain. Safe countries that don't have such a generous welfare system!

People are hungry/starving in many parts of the world are we supposed to take them all in?

We're not "supposed" to do anything, obviously it's not economically viable to take in every struggling family in the world, but blaming THEM for wanting it is ridiculous. Anyone in this country who claims that, in the same situation, they wouldn't do the same is straight up lying .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Australia had this problem and they solved it

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Make Christmas Great Again

Australia had this problem and they solved it

Probably because they didn't allow themselves to be brow-beaten into submission to the politically correct. Great nation.

[Kizzy]

Australia has a solid history of abuses, look what they did to their indigenous population, look also what they did to the orphans we sent after WW2.
Does anyone else worry that we are moving away from countries where human rights are respected to those where they aren't?
If not, why not, is it because we believe some people are not human?...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

Australia has a solid history of abuses, look what they did to their indigenous population, look also what they did to the orphans we sent after WW2.
Does anyone else worry that we are moving away from countries where human rights are respected to those where they aren't?
If not, why not, is it because we believe some people are not human?...

wait

what?

who is talking about abuses?

what are you calling out Australia about?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Probably because they didn't allow themselves to be brow-beaten into submission to the politically correct. Great nation.

Oh come on, this site you and I are using has to be one of the most politically correct forums in the western world!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Make Christmas Great Again

Australia had this problem and they solved it

No surprise there...Australia has to be one of the most nationalist countries I’ve ever had the misfortune of visiting.

[Kizzy]

Here is a good article it explains why many in this nation aren't as affected by tragedy overseas, well ones we had a hand in anyway...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...on-for-britain

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Merry Corbynmas

Here is a good article it explains why many in this nation aren't as affected by tragedy overseas, well ones we had a hand in anyway...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...on-for-britain

hi

do you have any other sources that are not the guardian or new statesman or the canary?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No surprise there...Australia has to be one of the most nationalist countries I’ve ever had the misfortune of visiting.

yes it has a reputation for being a vile mess

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Make Christmas Great Again

hi

do you have any other sources that are not the guardian or new statesman or the canary?

I don't quote the new statesman, it isn't available to reference anywhere else.
You are not obliged to read it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

so no

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No surprise there...Australia has to be one of the most nationalist countries I’ve ever had the misfortune of visiting.

And one of the most successful and desirable places to live. It looks after its own and everyone wants a piece of it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sanctimonious rubbish. The prime concern of genuine refugees is safety for themselves and their families. These people are choosing to bypass closer safe countries to head for Europe in search of a 'better life' which actually makes them economic migrants rather than refugees. It's the children I feel sorry for because they have no choice.

Being idealistic when you're young is easy, but seeing the bigger picture of the negative effects this has on people in Europe matters. People in Britain for example are actually dying because of the demand and pressure put on the health system by this mass migration which denies them access to the services they need when they need it, something constantly and conveniently ignored by the sanctimonious supporters of mass migration. And that is just one issue.

It seems the distinction between 'refugee' and 'migrant' needs to be made because some keep ignoring it an an attempt to tug at peoples' heart strings and lay a guilt trip on them.

Rationalisation is always healthy.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Rationalisation is always healthy.

Distraction tactics.