[Kizzy]

I see it as him being very canny, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place atm... he needs to show he is behind the public decision or be lambasted by the press but by the same token some Labour strongholds were remain therefore he has to be seen to be looking out for them too..It's a balancing act that any Labour leader would face.

[Parmy]

Imagine being the only person not to prosper when its an anti establishment voting era........CRINGE.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see it as him being very canny, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place atm... he needs to show he is behind the public decision or be lambasted by the press but by the same token some Labour strongholds were remain therefore he has to be seen to be looking out for them too..It's a balancing act that any Labour leader would face.

But at the minute they are alienating both sides: some remainers are annoyed that they're not being strong enough in their opposition to the Tories, some leavers will say they're not commited enough to Brexit. I understand it's difficult, but they need to find some sort of position and stick to it- then fight for it.

Currently, they just appear weak.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

But at the minute they are alienating both sides: some remainers are annoyed that they're not being strong enough in their opposition to the Tories, some leavers will say they're not commited enough to Brexit. I understand it's difficult, but they need to find some sort of position and stick to it- then fight for it.

Currently, they just appear weak.

I disagree, the important constitutional decisions have now been made , due process has been followed( no thanks to the PM) and now begins the arduous task of trying to maintain the rights and protections we already have, I trust Corbyn to fight for those more than anyone.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I disagree, the important constitutional decisions have now been made , due process has been followed( no thanks to the PM) and now begins the arduous task of trying to maintain the rights and protections we already have, I trust Corbyn to fight for those more than anyone.

The problem is, the party don't seem to agree on exactly what they want to fight for. For most positions the leadership have expressed, I could probably pull up evidence of MPs who have expressed a totally different position.

When the party doesn't know what hymn sheet they're singing from, how can I, as a voter, put my faith in them to form a government? And how can I trust Corbyn to fight on behalf of me when he tried to force his MPs to vote through a bill that contains no protections, no ammendments and no assurances?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

The problem is, the party don't seem to agree on exactly what they want to fight for. For most positions the leadership have expressed, I could probably pull up evidence of MPs who have expressed a totally different position.

When the party doesn't know what hymn sheet they're singing from, how can I, as a voter, put my faith in them to form a government? And how can I trust Corbyn to fight on behalf of me when he tried to force his MPs to vote through a bill that contains no protections, no ammendments and no assurances?

Well then you have to ask yourself whose ideology appeals to me more, old or new Labour, for me it's old.
The coup against him is ongoing, I wouldn't like to think that his detractors within the party would use something so important as a whipped vote to score points...but part of me feels that's what happened.