[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz.

Way to go for diversity!

I don't think Ashley Banjo would agree with that

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Rogan Josh

I don't think Ashley Banjo would agree with that

Ooh, I think Ashley is a lovely guy, Intelligent, multi-talented, handsome and great personality - he has it all.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Arista you can build hangers in Ireland to house them, ship them over in their thousands. Ireland can get many jobs here, bolster the economy as we train the youth in discipline. A win win scenario and blue print to sell to the commonwealth?

they will arrive back in the UK ready for work, trained in trades we need, no media studies - plumbers, sparks, mechanics, roofers, carpenters..

Yes I could do that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

So if skilled workers aren't coming - and it's only supposition to think they aren't - maybe we could train British people how to be skilled workers? Seems like a great idea to me.

It does sound like a good idea. Maybe someone should pass the memo on to the Tories that if they want to discourage immigrant skilled labour and encourage it natively, they should probably stop systematically destroying the basic education system, and make it easier for people to access decent quality higher education.

Of course, they don't want to do either. They don't want to import talent. They don't want to fund the creation of talent natively either. State schooling is a shambles. Brexit is absolutely destroying academic funding with no apparent plan in place to make up the difference. A trundling, clunking race to the bottom .

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Media studies - one of those airy fairy non-subjects that no-one is sure what people are actually trained to do.

lol that's funny, you consider yourself a feminist but deride Media Studies (which can be a surprisingly theoretical based course) when one of the most famous feminist scholars has work situated in the field

[Scarlett.]

Perhaps cause they don't want to be on ship that is heading directly for an iceberg?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Perhaps cause they don't want to be on ship that is heading directly for an iceberg?

That was used on a Cartoon by Brighty,
with Corbyn hanging onto a Iceberg
and his big Labour ship
sinking behind him...........

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

lol that's funny, you consider yourself a feminist but deride Media Studies (which can be a surprisingly theoretical based course) when one of dthe most famous feminist scholars has work situated in the field

It isn't a prerequisite that believing in equal rights for women requires 'studying' feminism and every feminist scholar. All it takes is a bit of common sense and understanding of double standards and right and wrong.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

An unpopular opinion with many, but the UK is more forward thinking than the Australian Government, the day we start copying them is the day where some of our freedoms will be gone as they ban anything even remotely controversial.

As Australia has one of the most successful economies in the world and is one of the most desirable places to live and work for educated and skilled people, which in turn helps build and preserve that economy, it is clearly doing something right.

Australia puts Australia first which in turn provides a better standard of living, quality of life and better future for all its citizens. Britain can learn a lot from Australia.

We need unskilled workers too but should be doing more to fill those jobs by providing better training and encouragement with better pay and working conditions for British people and reducing our benefit bill. Liberally handing out benefits to all, including those coming into the country, is too big a drain on the country and economy and dragging it down.

If Britain comes first so too will its citizens.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It does sound like a good idea. Maybe someone should pass the memo on to the Tories that if they want to discourage immigrant skilled labour and encourage it natively, they should probably stop systematically destroying the basic education system, and make it easier for people to access decent quality higher education.

Of course, they don't want to do either. They don't want to import talent. They don't want to fund the creation of talent natively either. State schooling is a shambles. Brexit is absolutely destroying academic funding with no apparent plan in place to make up the difference. A trundling, clunking race to the bottom .

Yes, I'm sure you believe that is the ethos in the heart of every Tory.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I'm sure you believe that is the ethos in the heart of every Tory.

I don't think they "don't want people to have an education" but I also don't think they want to fund world class education for every child. They demonstrably don't. That's one thing that can't be back-blamed on the previous Labour government (although, I'm sure, someone will certainly try); state primary education has absolutely crumbled order the ConDems/Tories, secondary isn't much better, Universities are struggling already and with the loss of EU funding and also a drop in students from abroad (who pay high fees) they are going to be decimated unless the government commits to finding ways to replace that lost funding before full Brexit hits. Thus far they have shown very little concern.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think they "don't want people to have an education" but I also don't think they want to fund world class education for every child. They demonstrably don't. That's one thing that can't be back-blamed on the previous Labour government (although, I'm sure, someone will certainly try); state primary education has absolutely crumbled order the ConDems/Tories, secondary isn't much better, Universities are struggling already and with the loss of EU funding and also a drop in students from abroad (who pay high fees) they are going to be decimated unless the government commits to finding ways to replace that lost funding before full Brexit hits. Thus far they have shown very little concern.

Students from the EU don't currently pay higher fees.

Don't agree with you totally... although I do agree that education, and indeed NHS funding should be ring-fenced and increased year on year.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Students from the EU don't currently pay higher fees.

Don't agree with you totally... although I do agree that education, and indeed NHS funding should be ring-fenced and increased year on year.

No, but students from Asia and Africa can be paying tens of thousands per year and I don't know about you... But I don't think I would pay that sort of money to study in a country where I didn't feel welcome. Not when there are other options available. Obviously many will still come but it seems unlikely that there won't be a significant decrease in interest.

The main issue though, is the research / PhD funding provided by Europe, and private entities within the EU. The government has this far offered up no plans at all for how that funding is going to be replaced, and R&D funding is absolutely essential for world class Universities.

I still have quite a few friends studying towards PhDs and the consensus has very much been... Get your PhD finished, as quickly as humanly possible, because in a few years time funding may simply not be there.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It does sound like a good idea. Maybe someone should pass the memo on to the Tories that if they want to discourage immigrant skilled labour and encourage it natively, they should probably stop systematically destroying the basic education system, and make it easier for people to access decent quality higher education.

Of course, they don't want to do either. They don't want to import talent. They don't want to fund the creation of talent natively either. State schooling is a shambles. Brexit is absolutely destroying academic funding with no apparent plan in place to make up the difference. A trundling, clunking race to the bottom .

Spot on!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No, but students from Asia and Africa can be paying tens of thousands per year and I don't know about you... But I don't think I would pay that sort of money to study in a country where I didn't feel welcome. Not when there are other options available. Obviously many will still come but it seems unlikely that there won't be a significant decrease in interest.

The main issue though, is the research / PhD funding provided by Europe, and private entities within the EU. The government has this far offered up no plans at all for how that funding is going to be replaced, and R&D funding is absolutely essential for world class Universities.

I still have quite a few friends studying towards PhDs and the consensus has very much been... Get your PhD finished, as quickly as humanly possible, because in a few years time funding may simply not be there.

I don't agree that highly qualified people feel they are not welcome. You may think they feel like that because of your stance on this subject. However, I don't think they do. I seems to me that only anti-Brexit people have this doom-laden view of our country that the rest of the world doesn't seem to share. As people have said, Australia is difficult to get in to, but people still want to go there.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't agree that highly qualified people feel they are not welcome. You may think they feel like that because of your stance on this subject. However, I don't think they do. I seems to me that only anti-Brexit people have this doom-laden view of our country that the rest of the world doesn't seem to share. As people have said, Australia is difficult to get in to, but people still want to go there.

If this country is so brilliant, can you enlighten me as to why the govt is carving us from our closest allies and selling bits of it off to the highest bidder across the globe?

Anyone who cries sovereignty while advocating the practices currently being used to fund this country is at best ignorant.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If this country is so brilliant, can you enlighten me as to why the govt is carving us from our closest allies and selling bits of it off to the highest bidder across the globe?

Anyone who cries sovereignty while advocating the practices currently being used to fund this country is at best ignorant.

Are you calling me ignorant? Just for the sake of clarity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If this country is so brilliant, can you enlighten me as to why the govt is carving us from our closest allies and selling bits of it off to the highest bidder across the globe?

Anyone who cries sovereignty while advocating the practices currently being used to fund this country is at best ignorant.

who exactly is our closest ally and how do you work out that?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

who exactly is our closest ally and how do you work out that?

The US is our closest ally and we are doing quite well with them.

[Beso]

Bad for cheap labour businesses.

Oh well.