[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You have, as usual, completely twisted my words to suit your own agenda. I do not think we should force our views on other countries, we can't do that - even though we strongly disagree with many of their practices. Sometimes we send our military in when it becomes a humanitarian crisis.

What I said was that if we oppose certain practices in other countries such as female genital mutilation, honour killings and forced marriages we should not tolerate them here for fear of being accused of religious intolerance. Make no mistake that is what we are doing.

These things are going on in Britain ,we all know it , but we do little about it. We do pay lip-service to the wrongs of certain practices but do not do enough to actually stop it. PC gets in the way and we effectively allow girls/women to be abused under our very noses rather than risk offence and rock the boat.

We need to make it perfectly clear to religious groups that if they want to stay in Britain they abide by British laws and do not partipate in any way in these kinds of practices or they will face the consequences. Condoning such practices through inaction is regressive not progressive and not only goes against our own values it makes a mockery of feminism and women's rights. We have regressed to paying lip-service only to women's rights by turning a blind eye to the misogynistic practices carried out in the name of religion right in front of us and that is wrong.

Abandoning our own values to appease certain religious groups within our own societies is not and never will be progressive.

There's a national unit in place for dealing with Forced Marriage (The FMU) and there's more being done to educate hospital staff to report instances of FGM but it's a difficult thing to prevent from happening, same with honour killings, You can't do a whole lot to prevent a violent crime from occurring, Like with any kind of violent crime, you just have to have faith that the investigation will turn up results.

You keep whining that not enough is being done but what would you realistically do? Go on, oh wise Brillo, try offering solutions instead of complaints. It's nothing to do with PC, it's just difficult to prosecute cases of FGM in particular because, like rape, it has a low report rate. You can't prevent Honour Killings from happening just like you can't prevent your average person from killing another. You can only investigate and prosecute it after the fact.

Oh look, another example of you only bringing up feminism as a weapon to attack a group of people with. You speak too much in broad strokes, you blame all muslims for the actions of a few and that attitude causes division. I'm all for educating people but it sounds like you want to treat any and all muslims with suspicion just on the grounds of their religion and that's the real problem and why things won't get better.

Nobody is abandoning their values, that's just another hysterical and emotional response rather than a factual one.