[Liberty4eva]

The purpose behind this institution ended in the 1990s. To be honest, as an American, I no longer feel like it is in our interests to defend European countries if they are attacked. They don't pick up the slack and pay their fair share of defense and they seem to relish in the destruction of their own unique cultures as they import more and more people from 3rd world countries.

What good does NATO do? For what purpose does it exist?

[Toy Soldier]

The reason you think this is because you believe that the US can - and will always be able to - take on the world and win.

You are incorrect.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The reason you think this is because you believe that the US can - and will always be able to - take on the world and win.

You are incorrect.

Actually, no. I think it's time the world began to sort itself out without our involvement. We're surrounded by two oceans and have no countries that could pose a threat to us. We don't need the world. We never did.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Actually, no. I think it's time the world began to sort itself out without our involvement. We're surrounded by two oceans and have no countries that could pose a threat to us. We don't need the world. We never did.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Actually, no. I think it's time the world began to sort itself out without our involvement. We're surrounded by two oceans and have no countries that could pose a threat to us. We don't need the world. We never did.

You are incorrect. In multiple ways, about everything.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The reason you think this is because you believe that the US can - and will always be able to - take on the world and win.

You are incorrect.

Exactly this.Even the biggest military in the world could'nt take on an alliance between say China,Russia and NK solo.You'd get stomped.The US needs allies too.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Actually, no. I think it's time the world began to sort itself out without our involvement. We're surrounded by two oceans and have no countries that could pose a threat to us. We don't need the world. We never did.

This is so wrong. Nuclear threat must always be considered, even the country furthest away from the US could destroy it with nuclea missiles. The US also needs countries for trade (yes that includes your TWO biggest neighbours Canada and Mexico) and the US needs Europe to protect the western values that keep us at liberty. For some reason America somehow thinks that they created freedom when they did not.

[Wizard.]

Have you also noticed that there hasn't been another World War since the creation of NATO? That's no coincidence.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Actually, no. I think it's time the world began to sort itself out without our involvement. We're surrounded by two oceans and have no countries that could pose a threat to us. We don't need the world. We never did.

....Trump? Is that you?!

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Actually, no. I think it's time the world began to sort itself out without our involvement. We're surrounded by two oceans and have no countries that could pose a threat to us. We don't need the world. We never did.

Also if you never needed the world, the Americas wouldn't have been discovered, as they were one of the later lands to be founded, and you wouldn't even have your America.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Also if you never needed the world, the Americas wouldn't have been discovered

and the americans already living there would have been happier.............

remaining in splendid isolation

.................................................. nuke free too


Mark L

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by ebandit

and the americans already living there would have been happier.............

remaining in splendid isolation

.................................................. nuke free too


Mark L

Yeah the poor indigenous people wouldn't have been slaughtered to make way for your 'perfect' way of life :eyeroll:

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Actually, no. I think it's time the world began to sort itself out without our involvement. We're surrounded by two oceans and have no countries that could pose a threat to us. We don't need the world. We never did.

Do you even understand how NATO works? I don't believe you do because you talk about "picking up the slack". Are you aware that all the expenditure that supplies and pays for soldiers who fight, defend and protect the NATO pact come from the nations supplying them?

Are you also aware that the amount of troops available to NATO reach many millions but only 1.5 million of them are U.S troops?
Turkey, who's land mass is a fraction of the USA supplies NATO's second largest army and you don't fund that army, Turkey funds it.

Look at the size of the old Warsaw pact and understand that most of its old members have now united with NATO and then look at the size of Russia... the biggest country in the world and the Arab State, the Middle East and China. Now imagine having no defence between them and you because that is exactly what you would have if you pulled out of NATO... no defence system to protect your land other than your own armies, which are tiny in comparison to NATO as it presently stands. You can't have American bases on our NATO borders and whilst our massive armies are still big enough to defend Europe we will no longer fight for the protection of America.

Perhaps it would be a good thing if America pulled out, after all, its America who seem determined to start WW3 and we are the poor sods who are expected to go in and assist in bailing them out. I think our world would be a lot more peaceful if America pulled out of NATO

[Denver]

The Americans stole the World War 2 victory despite not coming in till the very end

[Wizard.]

^^ yeah maybe the world would be better without America butting their nose into every situation and making up lies like how British intelligence assisted Barack Obama in rigging the election....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The Americans stole the World War 2 victory despite not coming in till the very end

Same with WW1... they like to make an entrance.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The Americans stole the World War 2 victory despite not coming in till the very end

They like to think everything good in the world is down to them, meanwhile the rest of the world laughs and lets them think that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Actually, no. I think it's time the world began to sort itself out without our involvement. We're surrounded by two oceans and have no countries that could pose a threat to us. We don't need the world. We never did.

No its got worse, L4e
now there is troops build up next to Russia
in Estonia etc.

WW3?
no they just want Russia to know
no land can NOT be taken

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Actually, no. I think it's time the world began to sort itself out without our involvement. We're surrounded by two oceans and have no countries that could pose a threat to us. We don't need the world. We never did.

Except when Pearl Harbour was bombed. You all took the war very seriously then. Rumour has it that your arses could be heard tightening from London, even over the sound of the Blitz. Which you missed.

Research the countries who fought the Japanese in the far east, you'll be amazed at how much you needed the rest of the world. Also in Korea. Also in the two Gulf Wars, have you any idea how many countries were involved in that coalition? No, of course you don't.

You were pretty much on your own in Vietnam... nuff said.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The Americans stole the World War 2 victory despite not coming in till the very end

They like to make a lot of noise about how they stepped in to save everyone out of the goodness of their hearts but, in truth, they wanted very little to do with any of it until they were attacked directly. I sometimes wonder what they actually teach kids in US schools about it. Do they even know anything about Russia's involvement and how significantly Germany was weakened by having to split its forces over two fronts? Do they just have this image of 'Murca charging over the Atlantic from the West to sort everything out?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They like to make a lot of noise about how they stepped in to save everyone out of the goodness of their hearts but, in truth, they wanted very little to do with any of it until they were attacked directly. I sometimes wonder what they actually teach kids in US schools about it. Do they even know anything about Russia's involvement and how significantly Germany was weakened by having to split its forces over two fronts? Do they just have this image of 'Murca charging over the Atlantic from the West to sort everything out?

probably