[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well don't mean to butt in here,but she did say people pretend they are not scared,but in truth they are,that IS the truth,whether it is justified or not,I fear for my kids in the future and wonder what they will have to live through,say if Sharia law ever got hold,how would my daughter fare ? people may say it will never happen,but how many times has that been said only to leave us with egg on our face,I am all for multi culturism,but I am against people coming here and trying to force their way of living on us ,and take away ours,I don't care what colour they are,but some peoples cultures are far from how I want to live and want my kids to live,so yes she is right,people can stand up and say we will never be beaten and we are not scared,get behind closed doors a lot of people are both. Hope you are well Marsh

How do you get through the day if one of your worries for your kids is that they might have to live with sharia law?? There are hundreds, probably thousands, of far more realistic worries for things they might face in the future . Why pile more (honestly) totally unrealistic things on top?

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by MB.

She said that she was a massive arsewipe? Props to her!

are you stalking me?

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How do you get through the day if one of your worries for your kids is that they might have to live with sharia law?? There are hundreds, probably thousands, of far more realistic worries for things they might face in the future . Why pile more (honestly) totally unrealistic things on top?

It's not unrealistic, Sharia law is alive and well in Britain already. Yes there are many other worries to worry about but some don't want the added worry of Sharia Law. You may, some don't

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because racism seems to be back in fashion lately

What does it feel like in Ireland now?

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And its starting to feel, at least on here, like its taking over.

I see a range of views

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

It's not unrealistic, Sharia law is alive and well in Britain already. Yes there are many other worries to worry about but some don't want the added worry of Sharia Law. You may, some don't

And why shouldn't it be? All Sharia Law can deal with in Britain is civil disputes and business. Sharia courts can't drag anyone in off the streets and can only be used if all parties agree.

Jewish courts (Beth Din) are the same and are in daily use in Britain, and have been for centuries.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And why shouldn't it be? All Sharia Law can deal with in Britain is civil disputes and business. Sharia courts can't drag anyone in off the streets and can only be used if all parties agree.

Jewish courts (Beth Din) are the same and are in daily use in Britain, and have been for centuries.

I can see Sharia laws being able to deal with other avenues other than civil disputes and business further down the line. I don't want Sharia law ruling my country, which one day I feel it will. If this makes me be deemed as racist then so be it. I am not alone in my thinking

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I can see Sharia laws being able to deal with other avenues other than civil disputes and business further down the line. I don't want Sharia law ruling my country, which one day I feel it will. If this makes me be deemed as racist then so be it. I am not alone in my thinking Attachment 3680

No it doesn't make you a racist, because Islam isn't a race, and it has followers of all colours of skin.

Being called a racist by a looney leftie, has no meaning. It's just their answer to everything, because they don't have any other answer.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

It's not unrealistic, Sharia law is alive and well in Britain already. Yes there are many other worries to worry about but some don't want the added worry of Sharia Law. You may, some don't

It IS unrealistic. Sharia Law is not in effect in the UK, nobody can force you or anyone else to follow it.

The whole idea that muslims are gonna 'take over' is ignorant. There's three main ways a minority can become a majority and none of them are realistic when it comes to the UK.

The first is a military coup of power, that's not going to happen since there isn't much of a Muslim presence in the Army to begin with, never mind one with an extremist mindset. Terrorist organisations will never be able to organise and arm a big enough force to mount an attack that could wrest power from the government. IS has to claim responsibility for any and all attacks to maintain the illusion that they have an international presence.

The second is a political coup which, given the attitude towards Sadiq Khan based on the fact that he is a muslim, it isn't likely that someone with terrorist ties and extremist views could ever get close enough given that all Muslims are viewed with suspicion. Plus they'd need support to make it stick and the vast majority of the population (including muslims) aren't wouldn't agree to it.

The last is the idea that extremist Muslims will gain a majority by excessive breeding, this is particularly stupid given that there are only 3 million Muslims in the UK in comparison to the 81 million people of other faiths and beliefs. Cut the 3 million number down to match the fact that extremists are a minority within the Muslim community and you're looking at, at most, a few thousand people (if you're being generous with numbers) trying to outbreed millions upon millions of people. It's not going to happen.

The idea of an Islam takeover is one fuelled by ignorance and hysteria rather than an actual possibility.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I can see Sharia laws being able to deal with other avenues other than civil disputes and business further down the line. I don't want Sharia law ruling my country, which one day I feel it will. If this makes me be deemed as racist then so be it. I am not alone in my thinking Attachment 3680

Do you understand how laws come into being? They are voted in, they don't just pop into existence.

Sharia Law would have to go through the different houses of Parliament and succeed in several votes before it became law and public perception would play a massive role in it's potential to succeed. No political party would champion it and it wouldn't get any support thus making it unlikely to ever become law.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It IS unrealistic. Sharia Law is not in effect in the UK, nobody can force you or anyone else to follow it.

The whole idea that muslims are gonna 'take over' is ignorant. There's three main ways a minority can become a majority and none of them are realistic when it comes to the UK.

It's not going to happen.

The idea of an Islam takeover is one fuelled by ignorance and hysteria rather than an actual possibility.

I live in a very heavily populated muslim area, I am fast becoming a minority. I have to say though, I do hope you are right in what you say because I like your positivity. I guess only time will tell.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And its starting to feel, at least on here, like its taking over.

Where is the racism on this forum? And why aren't the mods doing anything about it?

Because it's all in your head, it's like you want it to be true.

The only people who talk about race, is the lefties. Everyone else is just waiting for them to stop talking about it, so we can move on.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I can see Sharia laws being able to deal with other avenues other than civil disputes and business further down the line. I don't want Sharia law ruling my country, which one day I feel it will. If this makes me be deemed as racist then so be it. I am not alone in my thinking Attachment 3680

It doesn't make you racist, it just makes you lack understanding as to why both Jews and Muslims have their own civil law and why it can't and won't ever become more than that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I live in a very heavily populated muslim area, I am fast becoming a minority. I have to say though, I do hope you are right in what you say because I like your positivity. I guess only time will tell.

It's not positivity, it's common sense and you aren't becoming a minority, you'll never be a minority and you shouldn't fear Muslims, no group of people have suffered more loss at the hands of 'islamic' terrorists have suffered than Muslims themselves.

If you're going to worry about extremists taking over then you may as well fear the moon crashing into us because they both have the same likelihood of happening.

[Northern Monkey]

Yawn at the ever present 'R word' being thrown about.It was the same with the brexit debate.
Racists are a very small minority.Most of us have grown up and gone to school with and got along fine with people of all races.
It is not racist to be against a backwards and still primitive religion or have it take over large sections of our cities.Which it is and that is undeniable.I can walk to more than one of these areas from my front door within fifteen minutes.There are areas where it is inadvisable for white people to walk through.This is not fantasy,This is the cold hard truth.Why should we have accept this and remain silent or be called racist?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yawn at the ever present 'R word' being thrown about.It was the same with the brexit debate.
Racists are a very small minority.Most of us have grown up and gone to school with and got along fine with people of all races.
It is not racist to be against a backwards and still primitive religion or have it take over large sections of our cities.Which it is and that is undeniable.I can walk to more than one of these areas from my front door within fifteen minutes.There are areas where it is inadvisable for white people to walk through.This is not fantasy,This is the cold hard truth.Why should we have accept this and remain silent or be called racist?

The constant use of that word is an intimidation tactic and, at the end of the day, says more about the person throwing it around than those they attempt to label.

It is boring but what it won't do is shut down opinions - try as they might.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The constant use of that word is an intimidation tactic and, at the end of the day, says more about the person throwing it around than those they attempt to label.

It is boring but what it won't do it shut down opinions try as they might.

An intimidation tactic? Why would it be intimidating?

You've accused me of sexism repeatedly and I've never been intimidated by it because I'm not sexist and the suggestion that I am is ridiculous. If someone accuses you of something that isn't true then stand your ground and explain why they are wrong.

I could only imagine someone feeling intimidated by being called a racist if it's true.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

An intimidation tactic? Why would it be intimidating?

You've accused me of sexism repeatedly and I've never been intimidated by it because I'm not sexist and the suggestion that I am is ridiculous. If someone accuses you of something that isn't true then stand your ground and explain why they are wrong.

I could only imagine someone feeling intimidated by being called a racist if it's true.

Did I say it worked - I was clearly stating the opposite. It was the intention of those using it I was clearly referring to.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not positivity, it's common sense and you aren't becoming a minority, you'll never be a minority and you shouldn't fear Muslims, no group of people have suffered more loss at the hands of 'islamic' terrorists have suffered than Muslims themselves.

If you're going to worry about extremists taking over then you may as well fear the moon crashing into us because they both have the same likelihood of happening.

The demographics of the area I live in The religious make up of xxxxxxxx is 46.7% Muslim, 33.5% Christian, 13.0% No religion, 0.3% Sikh, 0.2% Hindu, 0.1% Buddhist. I am in the minority of where I live. I live in an area of West Yorkshire.

Isis are recruiting daily, more and more becoming extremists, none of us can see into the future, we can all only speculate.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

The demographics of the area I live in The religious make up of xxxxxxxx is 46.7% Muslim, 33.5% Christian, 13.0% No religion, 0.3% Sikh, 0.2% Hindu, 0.1% Buddhist. I am in the minority of where I live. I live in an area of West Yorkshire.

Isis are recruiting daily, more and more becoming extremists, none of us can see into the future, we can all only speculate.

Are you saying you are Buddhist?

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Are you saying you are Buddhist?

Yes, now leave me alone whilst I meditate

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The constant use of that word is an intimidation tactic and, at the end of the day, says more about the person throwing it around than those they attempt to label.

It is boring but what it won't do is shut down opinions - try as they might.

Yep and it is ironic that the only people i've ever been racially abused by were muslims.Never experienced it from any other groups.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

Yes, now leave me alone whilst I meditate

You will probably need to meditate quite often if you come on here regularly.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

Where is the racism on this forum? And why aren't the mods doing anything about it?

Because it's all in your head, it's like you want it to be true.

The only people who talk about race, is the lefties. Everyone else is just waiting for them to stop talking about it, so we can move on.

this I made a thread about a Hungarian Village which ended up in a blog by the same poster as being anti Muslim when it was anything but

[user104658]

Racism doesn't actually exist. There is no such thing as racism. Also, everyone is actually nice all of the time. Another -ism that doesn't exist is sarcism. So there's that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

The demographics of the area I live in The religious make up of xxxxxxxx is 46.7% Muslim, 33.5% Christian, 13.0% No religion, 0.3% Sikh, 0.2% Hindu, 0.1% Buddhist. I am in the minority of where I live. I live in an area of West Yorkshire.

Isis are recruiting daily, more and more becoming extremists, none of us can see into the future, we can all only speculate.

I find those stats a bit difficult to believe, especially in a Yorkshire area.

If you wish to fear the impossible then you are free to do so, it doesn't make it any more likely of happening. Like I said before, it's impossible for an extremist section of Islam to take hold in the UK and become a majority and nothing is going to change that. When you understand how population growth. government and the process of changing legislation, laws and political systems work you'll see that there's nothing to fear.

As I said before, if you think you are at any risk of becoming a minority and somehow being forced into Islam by extremists then you may as well check the moon every night to see if it's fallen out of the sky because the odds of those events happening are pretty much the same.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Did I say it worked - I was clearly stating the opposite. It was the intention of those using it I was clearly referring to.

So whenever you accuse me of sexism you're trying to intimidate me into silence?