[Livia]

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[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I just love it when one ch4 documentary suddenly turns out to be the one and only thing we should be believing.

You can mock that programme all you want and if you want to continue believing everything popular media feeds you... rock right on.

[DemolitionRed]

An Iranian reporter in Iraq is good enough for me. Why would a Shiite Muslim reporter lie about what the Shiites are doing to the Sunni's?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If I read the papers I would give 2 ****s but i don't so i don't.

Popular media, like a C4 documentary! In the words of TS, you need to look for another cock to suck this weekend.

I think calling C4 "popular" at this point is a bit of a stretch. They break out the champagne if they get over 600k viewers .

I agree with the sentiment overall though, I wouldn't trust any documentary any more than I'd trust the mainstream rags. Well, maybe a little more, but not much. At the end of the day you're still looking at the way someone else has pieced together an elaborate jigsaw, without having a chance to look at the pieces for yourself.

[DemolitionRed]

This is an interesting source from Syrian Arab News
http://sana.sy/en/?p=103798

What its suggesting is, there needs to be a full investigation for this chemical attack and that nobody, including the U.S can point a finger at anyone until that investigation is done. It also suggests that the U.S is not destroying ISIS but using ISIS as an excuse to go in and target the Assad regime.

It also states that Khan Sheikhoun is under the control of Jabhat al-Nusra terror organization, but there are western attempts to hide that, adding that it’s not a coincidence that reports about terrorists stockpiling chemical weapons and using them against civilians are being ignored. In doing so the U.S are in violation of the UN Charter.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ageism?.....

Damn those young people for wanting a world to mature in

What is this world you think they want to mature in?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What is this world you think they want to mature in?

This one obv... :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That's what happens when one side is constantly silenced, they give up in the end

Shut it Cherie!!

[Scarlett.]

This is proof Trump needs to be impeached, all his other misdeeds are nothing compared to this act of stupidity

[Kizzy]

And nobody anywhere was surprised...

It has become something of a cliche for Whitehall to reassure British citizens that it has “one of the most robust arms export controls in the world”. It is the stock response civil servants, press officers and ministers turn to when asked about arms sales to human rights abusers or conflict zones, and was used in 2013 when confronted about the decision to grant licences for the sale of chemicals to Syria that could have been used in the production of nerve gas.

Thankfully the licences were revoked, after a Europe-wide embargo. However, there is little doubt that UK-produced chemicals sold to Syria in the past have been used in the production of weapons.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-uk-arms-trade

[Northern Monkey]

Nato should be concentrating on ISIS along with Russia.However brutal Assad is he should not be the target now.That time has passed now.Regime change should now be off the table.
Wiping ISIS out should be the mission for now.
Hopefully Trump is not going for regime change and this was a one off to show that what he says has teeth unlike Obama who said chemical weapons were a "red line" and did nothing and in the process made the US look weak.
Maybe this was a warning to China that he means business and his real target is North Korea.
Or maybe,The scariest option and the one that is supposed to be the truth.He was emotionally overcome by the images of gassed children and reacted to what he saw.That is the most frightening option because it means that he is very easy to manipulate into emotive actions and shows a lack of control.
These terrorist groups have been known to use chemical weapons and have stockpiles.
They can use them whenever they want to call in a US airstrike if the official line and most terrifying version of events is true.

However none of this says very much for Trumps supposed anti interventionist ideology.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Chewy

This is proof Trump needs to be impeached, all his other misdeeds are nothing compared to this act of stupidity

If impeachment is justified, which it isn't, the powers that be will do so, but for Trump haters to use this, or anything else, to get him out is pathetic.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Nato should be concentrating on ISIS along with Russia.However brutal Assad is he should not be the target now.That time has passed now.Regime change should now be off the table.
Wiping ISIS out should be the mission for now.

I agree, though I believe ISIS are being wiped by something much bigger than them and that our intervention isn't worth much at all.

Hopefully Trump is not going for regime change and this was a one off to show that what he says has teeth unlike Obama who said chemical weapons were a "red line" and did nothing and in the process made the US look weak.
Maybe this was a warning to China that he means business and his real target is North Korea.
Or maybe,The scariest option and the one that is supposed to be the truth.He was emotionally overcome by the images of gassed children and reacted to what he saw.That is the most frightening option because it means that he is very easy to manipulate into emotive actions and shows a lack of control.
These terrorist groups have been known to use chemical weapons and have stockpiles.
They can use them whenever they want to call in a US airstrike if the official line and most terrifying version of events is true.

However none of this says very much for Trumps supposed anti interventionist ideology.

I think what we have to accept is, whatever president had got into America, the same thing would of happened. This isn't about Trump, its about western domination so regardless of how Trump feels, his cohorts and other internal pressures will of pushed him towards 'The American Goal'. There was always going to be some things Trump didn't have a choice with and this was one of them.

[Livia]

I'd like to see the West pull out of the Middle East all together. Leave them to it. And as the West removes their arms and troops, also remove the humanitarian aid because that seems to be forgotten while the West is being generally slagged off.

Pull our people out of the Middle East - it certainly would make my job easier and I'd do much less travelling - and revisit it after it's become a large, smoking crater.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'd like to see the West pull out of the Middle East all together. Leave them to it. And as the West removes their arms and troops, also remove the humanitarian aid because that seems to be forgotten while the West is being generally slagged off.

Pull our people out of the Middle East - it certainly would make my job easier and I'd do much less travelling - and revisit it after it's become a large, smoking crater.

Not to mention there no boundaries and aid workers are used as pawns and attacked.

I have mixed feelings, but generally inclined to agree. - why should our brave men and women be sacrificed for what is essentially a lost cause. Nothing ever changes.

[the truth]

a classical US-executed false flag
a Syrian strike on a location which happened to be storing some kind of gas, possibly chlorine, but most definitely not sarin. This option requires you to believe in coincidences. I don’t. Unless,
the US fed bad intelligence to the Syrians and got them to bomb a location where the US knew that toxic gas was stored.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

a classical US-executed false flag
a Syrian strike on a location which happened to be storing some kind of gas, possibly chlorine, but most definitely not sarin. This option requires you to believe in coincidences. I don’t. Unless,
the US fed bad intelligence to the Syrians and got them to bomb a location where the US knew that toxic gas was stored.

Of course it's sarin... how do we know? We sold them it!!!