[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed. And I personally hope those same voters quickly become critically ill and then find themselves at the mercy of the cruel system they voted for. I'm not even joking. I quite genuinely hope they have to eat the festering ****-pie they so happily bake.

Typical nasty left-winger. Always want people who don't agree with their policies dead.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

What nonsense...

Oh yes I'm sure they weep their crusty little lizard eyes out over every DLA-cut death

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh yes I'm sure they weep their crusty little lizard eyes out over every DLA-cut death

You know they're not really lizards, right?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Typical nasty left-winger. Always want people who don't agree with their policies dead.

I don't want them dead, I want them on full term disability under Tory cuts. No point if they die , they have to live in misery in order to appreciate exactly what they were advocating.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You know they're not really lizards, right?

Yes, it's wishful thinking that they're soulless alien reptiles. I do know that they're just ghastly human beings.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

True... and that's shameful. Older people are not another species, they are young people who've got older. If only we could engage the younger generation to take more responsibility in this. If all young peolle were engaged as much as the young people on here, the political landscape would look much different.

That said.... this is yet more proof that Corbyn will run Labour into the ground and that his supporters don't really care... or don't understand. He is the greatest weapon in the Tory arsenal.

OR... That older people don't understand or care what young people want.

What don't Corbyn supporters understand?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, it's wishful thinking that they're soulless alien reptiles. I do know that they're just ghastly human beings.

Ghastly, yeah... I guess that's why so many people have voted for them. And not just rich people, there aren't that many rich people in the country.

And the "ghastly human beings"... is that the politicians or all the people that voted for them? The majority are ghastly? Well, they probably have a similar description for Labour supporters. If they're childish enough to reduce this down to silly name calling.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

OR... That older people don't understand or care what young people want.

What don't Corbyn supporters understand?

How ridiculous that old people should vote for what young people want. I'm 21 and every one has the right to vote for what they want, if they don't vote, they shouldn't have older people voting for them - do young people want them to wipe their arse as well?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Ghastly, yeah... I guess that's why so many people have voted for them. And not just rich people, there aren't that many rich people in the country.

And the "ghastly human beings"... is that the politicians or all the people that voted for them? The majority are ghastly? Well, they probably have a similar description for Labour supporters. If they're childish enough to reduce this down to silly name calling.

The policy-makers are ghastly. The people voting for them are mainly just uncaring (in the "well it doesn't apply to me so..." sense, hence me hoping they do end up having to navigate that system) or, at present, jumping on a bandwagon. For some utterly bizarre reason, it's become "popular" to vote Tory simply because there's a feeling that "everyone else is" and people like to be on the "winning team" .

Of course, also, some of them actually are indeed just ghastly and do look at the disabled with disdain / disgust... so there's also that.

[Wizard.]

Word in the air is that some Scottish councils are losing SNP council seats to the conservatives. Woohoo!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Riley.

How ridiculous that old people should vote for what young people want. I'm 21 and every one has the right to vote for what they want, if they don't vote, they shouldn't have older people voting for them - do young people want them to wipe their arse as well?

No no no , it's young people who have to wipe the old people's arses. Oh wait... no... because the Tories are dismantling healthcare brick by brick. So no one will be wiping their senile old arses and they'll just have to live squirming in a heap of their own ****. But they knew what they were voting for sooo .

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed. And I personally hope those same voters quickly become critically ill and then find themselves at the mercy of the cruel system they voted for. I'm not even joking. I quite genuinely hope they have to eat the festering ****-pie they so happily bake.

Well I am still quite happily voting Tory this time around, and more or less fit all the above.
We can only go by what happens to us personally and what our expectations are, it's obvious we can't trust anything ANYof them tell us as its like wading through treacle to define the difference between what they say and what they do.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Word in the air is that some Scottish councils are losing SNP council seats to the conservatives. Woohoo!

Sort of inevitable, we have The Brexit Effect to thank for that. Brexit / Union supporters tactically voting Tory as the "respresentative party" of that decision. Tory local councils will be a disaster for Scottish towns, I'm honestly quite concerned about people's drive to self-harm.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Well I am still quite happily voting Tory this time around, and more or less fit all the above.
We can only go by what happens to us personally and what our expectations are, it's obvious we can't trust anything ANYof them tell us as its like wading through treacle to define the difference between what they say and what they do.

You're on disability benefits and voting Conservative? Bizarre. Just bizarre.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're on disability benefits and voting Conservative? Bizarre. Just bizarre.

Not really bizarre, I was brought up not to expect to rely on the state.
The main reason for the Tory vote is that even with the cuts, I can see hope for the future, not my future, my kid's future.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Not really bizarre, I was brought up not to expect to rely on the state.
The main reason for the Tory vote is that even with the cuts, I can see hope for the future, not my future, my kid's future.

Hmm. I can only imagine that, despite pretending that you "more or less fit all of the above", you are in fact not reliant on disability benefits for your survival. In which case, you are lucky, not morally superior to anyone who is.

[user104658]

I would also offer the flipside; my youngest daughter (aged 4) is disabled and will have to navigate this system throughout her entire life, and honestly, under a Tory regime I really struggle to see the "hope for her future".

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Not really bizarre, I was brought up not to expect to rely on the state.
The main reason for the Tory vote is that even with the cuts, I can see hope for the future, not my future, my kid's future.

Great for you wanting to stand on your own two feet. Disabled people will not be pushed into a life of living on benefits by Labour.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmm. I can only imagine that, despite pretending that you "more or less fit all of the above", you are in fact not reliant on disability benefits for your survival. In which case, you are lucky, not morally superior to anyone who is.

Yeah we are very well off....not. As you say, you can only imagine and have no idea of our reality.
Hubby was made redundant last July and our son was laid off a month later.
We just get on with it and accept these things happen, without laying blame on or expecting the government or hard working tax payers to keep us in the life to which we were accustomed.
Nothing to do with moral superiority, more to do with the way we were brought up.
Tighten our belts and get on with it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Yeah we are very well off....not. As you say, you can only imagine and have no idea of our reality.
Hubby was made redundant last July and our son was laid off a month later.
We just get on with it and accept these things happen, without laying blame on or expecting the government or hard working tax payers to keep us in the life to which we were accustomed.
Nothing to do with moral superiority, more to do with the way we were brought up.
Tighten our belts and get on with it.

If you can tighten your belts and get on with it then you are not reliant on disability benefits for your survival. You have some other form of income. Unless you are living on air.

[Denver]

I am astounded at people thinking Corbyn will be the best leader the word has seen

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I am astounded at people thinking Corbyn will be the best leader the word has seen

Who thinks that?

[Denver]

Everyone who wants him in charge.

His only plan is to run this country into the ground

[Northern Monkey]

All this blaming the voters is futile.

Why are people voting the way they are?

Because the supposed UK opposition party are not doing their job anywhere near well enough.
It's their job to hold the government to account,It's their job to win the propaganda war,it's their job to attract voters,it's their job to have strong enough policies and it's their job to select decent candidates to lead their party.

If people won't vote for them then they need to change things up and find what works.

I don't want the Tories in power for the foreseeable future but this is the sad reality of having totally weak opposition parties in a democracy.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not their "aim" to kill people, they don't "want" people dead. They just don't care when people die. So much better.

They don't care.
That is the astonishing and worrying thing,charity after charity,welfare organisations and the CAB have told the govt the stress,the cruel hardship and the despair the sick and disabled have gone and will be going through,due to the changes and cuts to their benefits.

People poo poo the stress and despair the sick and disabled are forced to go through from first the Coalition and now this truly cruel govt.
Heartless and gutless,picking on the very weakest and unbelievably still getting defended and supported by voters to carry on and do likely even worse.

I despair,however when this horrible lot get rewarded for their cruelty and failure with a bigger majority,then all powers that be help anyone who is,or who becomes seriously ill or disabled over the coming years.
It is to me and it should be a disgrace that people in power get away with such heartless cruel policies against people really ill and disabled.

Awful anywhere in the World but to be happening in the UK, is 100% shameful by any make up of govt.